Idiot with a Vision: Using a Diverter to Purify Plasma

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using a diverter with a plasma actuator to purify plasma by generating a stream of negatively charged electrons aimed at attracting spent alpha particles and impurities, while leaving hydrogen isotopes unaffected. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of plasma physics and the challenges associated with the proposed idea.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using a diverter with a plasma actuator to create a negatively charged electron stream to attract alpha particles and impurities.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of this idea, noting that the mass difference between alpha particles and electrons suggests that the electron stream would be diverted rather than affecting the alpha particles.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on the significant mass difference between alpha particles and electrons, with one participant calculating the mass ratio and expressing skepticism about the proposed method's effectiveness.
  • Some participants express support for the original poster's passion for learning and creating, while also highlighting the importance of foundational knowledge in physics.
  • There are reflections on self-esteem and the value of ideas, with participants encouraging the original poster to continue exploring their concepts despite challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the proposed method, with some supporting the idea and others raising significant concerns about its practicality based on physical principles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the proposed approach.

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Participants acknowledge the limitations of the original poster's physics education and the potential need for a deeper understanding of the underlying principles to refine the idea further.

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Individuals interested in plasma physics, experimental methods for purification, and those exploring innovative ideas in physics and engineering may find this discussion relevant.

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Using electrostatic attraction to remove impurities and alpha particles
Let me start off with saying I am just a idiot with a high school level education (and a learning disability ).
But i have a idea of using a diverter with a plasma actuator equiped, to generate a stream of negatively charged electrons to attract spent alpha particles and impurities. Tuned to such a level thati it would leave the less electro positive hydrogen isotopes alone.

Thanks for your time
Andrew
 
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Andrewtv848 said:
...negatively charged electrons to attract spent alpha particles...
Not my area of 'spertize but it seems to me that - considering an alpha article outmasses an electron by > 7000x - your electron stream will be the one diverted while the stream of alpha particles will plow on its merry way undisturbed.

4 hadrons : 1/1836 hadron = 7344:1

And to match the charge, you'd have to double that.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Not my area of 'spertize but it seems to me that - considering an alpha article outmasses an electron by a factor of almost ##10^5## - your electron stream will be the one diverted while the stream of alpha particles will plow on its merry way undisturbed.

2mp + 2mn = 4
me = 1/1836

DaveC426913 said:
Not my area of 'spertize but it seems to me that - considering an alpha article outmasses an electron by > 7000x - your electron stream will be the one diverted while the stream of alpha particles will plow on its merry way undisturbed.

4 hadrons : 1/1836 hadron = 7344:1
Thanks for the reply, oh well back to the drawing board
 
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Andrewtv848 said:
Summary: Using electrostatic attraction to remove impurities and alpha particles

Let me start off with saying I am just a idiot
You cannot think like that and expect positive results in life, there are plenty of people with just layman understanding of physics but that doesn't make them idiots nor I believe you to be an idiot. All you need is the passion to learn, then some trial and error.

PS. What are you learning / trying to achieve at the moment with regards to this question?
 
sorry, i have low self esteem because i have a learning disability. I definantly have a passion for learning and creating. My goal was to have someone with the physics understanding weigh in on my invention.
 
Andrewtv848 said:
sorry, i have low self esteem because i have a learning disability. I definantly have a passion for learning and creating. My goal was to have someone with the physics understanding weigh in on my invention.
Lack of physics education does not make you and idiot.
Having an idea, does not make you and inventor.

One thing we hear often here on PF is, "Thinking out of the box is admirable. However, you must first learn what is in the box." Physics Forums exists to help people learn what is in the box.
 
Andrewtv848 said:
sorry, i have low self esteem because i have a learning disability. I definantly have a passion for learning and creating. My goal was to have someone with the physics understanding weigh in on my invention.
What goal were you trying to achieve or what problem solve with that invention?
 
Andrewtv848 said:
Thanks for the reply, oh well back to the drawing board
Note: just because i think i found something to criticize does not mean:
1. I am right,
2. You are wrong,
3. You should give up.
 

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