# If Hackers Are So Skilled, Why Not Make $w/ a Real Job? 1. Jun 16, 2016 ### kyphysics Always wondered about this. Why not just program or do security consulting? Those jobs are pretty good pay, right? Why do they become criminals? 2. Jun 16, 2016 ### Simon Bridge By "hacker" you mean the umbrella term for people misusing their network access? Many of them do actually have real programming jobs, they are following their criminal life as a sideline: but many are kids using bots made by other people ... the network equivalent of graffiti artists. So you may as well be asking "if graffiti artists are so good, why not make loads of money as a real artist?" Or maybe: if meth lab chemists are such good scientists, why not make loads of money as an industrial chemist rather than be criminals? Then there is the issue: major hackers are criminals who are making lots of money off botnets and various scams, or they are employed by people who are making all that money. They do it because they are making more money with less effort than they would security consulting. Contrary to what movies and TV tell you, the average "hacker" is not some wiz programmer turning their skills to evil for the lulz. 3. Jun 16, 2016 ### russ_watters ### Staff: Mentor Being a criminal is typically easier. 4. Jun 16, 2016 ### billy_joule Who says they don't do both? Because crime pays even better? Or because it's not about money, a lot of hacking seems to be done out of a sense of social justice (rightly or wrongly), like the Panama papers or the upcoming Wikileak that'll (supposedly) incriminate Hillary Clinton. 5. Jun 16, 2016 ### Simon Bridge Oh ... and being highly skilled does not guarantee you a high paying job. Highly skilled and no job does guarantee you lots of free time though... 6. Jun 16, 2016 ### Fervent Freyja Cons and criminals working in groups. A random group of teens could be considered to have a collective high-skill set that is comparable to that of one hacker. Being one hacker implies at least an average intelligence. These people that have tried to persuade me over the phone (in broken english) to let them upgrade my PC are off their rockers. 7. Jun 16, 2016 ### SteamKing Staff Emeritus You probably missed this story: http://www.wsj.com/articles/philipp...hacking-of-bangladesh-bank-account-1457887306 A group of hackers managed to transfer more than$80 million from Bangladeshi accounts held at the US Federal Reserve to other bank accounts in the Philippines and at least one account in Sri Lanka. Almost $1 billion in other attempted transfers were blocked by the Fed's security system. The hackers used an internal messaging system of the Fed to make the transfers, and presented the correct passwords and authentication codes. Apparently what tripped the hackers up was that they were transferring the stolen funds to personal accounts overseas, rather than to commercial accounts. Even getting away with only$80 million tax-free would be quite a coup.

8. Jun 16, 2016

### Hornbein

Back in college a friend of mine was talking about comic books. He asked, "Why doesn't the bad guy who makes the superweapon sell it to the government?"

9. Jun 16, 2016

### 256bits

You think governments around the world do not "hack" into foreign country systems.
Lawful employment is available.

10. Jun 16, 2016

### George Jones

Staff Emeritus
11. Jun 16, 2016

### 1oldman2

I read recently, (Don't remember site but it was a "Mainstream" news feed) that another tip off was a glaringly obvious case of misspelling one word. Interesting that someone or group was "good enough" to hack the passwords yet couldn't keep their grammar straight.

12. Jun 16, 2016

### SteamKing

Staff Emeritus
A lot of the run-of-the-mill fishing scams have this flaw, like misspelling the word "bank" or something stupid.

13. Jun 16, 2016

### Simon Bridge

A few groups make a headlining score (or get caught doing it) and everyone thinks they can do it too ... like hearing jackpot bells in a casino.

It should probably be pointed out that the media use of "hacker" includes teenagers with a script - we used to call these script kiddies - and such like, while programmers tend to think of hackers closer to the gnu/usernet useage.
ie. http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/definition/hacker

When I studied computer science at college, the terms was used to refer to people who coded by the seat of their pants, without a plan or a diagram etc.
The implication is that the result is not good code ... as in "cobbled together". However, elsewhere the term referred to competence and an attitude of inquirey... as in "I can hack it."

14. Jun 18, 2016

### kyphysics

Is it that easy to steal millions of bucks and get away with it through hacking?

What level of education would a typical hacker need, in order to hack, say, the U.S. government's information?

15. Jun 18, 2016

### Staff: Mentor

This can be done on purpose. Only a tiny fraction is stupid enough to be of value for the mail senders - they don't want to waste time with all the others who might react to a better written mail, but ultimately not reveal anything of worth.

@kyphysics: we don't give career guidance for illegal activities.