If I you like Beethovens music does that mean that you just dont

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The discussion revolves around the appreciation of Beethoven's music and whether a lack of appreciation indicates a deficiency in mental capacity. Participants explore the historical context of Beethoven's popularity, subjective experiences with his music, and the influence of audience perception on musical value.

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  • One participant questions whether not liking Beethoven's music implies a lack of mental capacity to appreciate it, suggesting that many listeners may be influenced by societal trends or "hype."
  • Another participant expresses a personal range of opinions on Beethoven's music, indicating that while they enjoy some pieces, others may be perceived as boring or ugly by different listeners.
  • A third participant emphasizes the subjective nature of entertainment and how individual values shape music appreciation.
  • A later reply requests references for historical claims made about Beethoven's early reputation and audience demographics.
  • One participant states a preference for Black Sabbath over Beethoven, indicating a personal taste that does not align with classical music.
  • Another participant dismisses the original post as nonsensical, suggesting a lack of merit in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between music appreciation and mental capacity, with no consensus reached. Some participants defend Beethoven's music while others challenge its perceived value and relevance.

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Limitations include the lack of empirical evidence supporting claims about audience demographics and the subjective nature of musical appreciation, which varies widely among individuals.

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If I you like Beethovens music does that mean that you "just dont

just don't have the mental capacity to appreciate it yet"

EDIT: ok the title was supposed to say "If I you DONT like Beethovens music does that mean that you "just don't have the mental capacity to appreciate it yet" ?
anyway, continued...


what do you think? I've been thinking about this quite a bit, and i noticed a couple of things about beethoven:
1) beethoven first got a reputation playing in saloons. he was improvising on bach tunes. (a bar band, doing covers)
2) back then the average joe schmo had about an 8th grade education level.

3) conclusion: Beethoven hit it really big via the appraisals of a very lowbrow audience, despite the adulations he also enjoyed from nobility.

OK this is generalizing (understatement) but I just don't see how beethoven could have been as profound as popular opinion affirms?? its like the experts on beethoven intuit all this superhuman nuance in the music that really isn't even there, --only exists in the mind of the fanatical listener, no? .. Is it possible that a lot of people listen to this stuff just because other people listen to it? You know, sort of like the concept of "hype" --when a band reaches that sort of critical mass point and crowd mentality takes over and launches them into celebrity and $$ etc etc.. What do u thonk?
 
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Beethoven wrote a wide range of music, which I could rate from ugly, boring, to absolutely all time favorites (7th and 9th symphony, violin concerto) But others may find that boring (heard too many times) and may find other works interesting and marvelous, which I consider ugly.

I don't think there is much evidence for correlation between music appreciation and mental capacities.
 


As with all forms of entertainment it comes down to people's subjective values in a given context.
 


tomishere said:
i noticed a couple of things about beethoven:
1) beethoven first got a reputation playing in saloons. he was improvising on bach tunes. (a bar band, doing covers)
2) back then the average joe schmo had about an 8th grade education level.
3) conclusion: Beethoven hit it really big via the appraisals of a very lowbrow audience, despite the adulations he also enjoyed from nobility.

Please provide a reference for these 3 statements.
 


The reason that I don't like Beethoven is that it isn't Black Sabbath.
 


The OP's post is just nonsense, so there's no reason to keep the thread open.