If I you like Beethovens music does that mean that you "just dont just dont have the mental capacity to appreciate it yet" EDIT: ok the title was supposed to say "If I you DONT like Beethovens music does that mean that you "just dont have the mental capacity to appreciate it yet" ? anyway, continued... what do you think? Ive been thinking about this quite a bit, and i noticed a couple of things about beethoven: 1) beethoven first got a reputation playing in saloons. he was improvising on bach tunes. (a bar band, doing covers) 2) back then the average joe schmo had about an 8th grade education level. 3) conclusion: Beethoven hit it really big via the appraisals of a very lowbrow audience, despite the adulations he also enjoyed from nobility. OK this is generalizing (understatement) but I just dont see how beethoven could have been as profound as popular opinion affirms?? its like the experts on beethoven intuit all this superhuman nuance in the music that really isnt even there, --only exists in the mind of the fanatical listener, no? .. Is it possible that alot of people listen to this stuff just because other people listen to it? You know, sort of like the concept of "hype" --when a band reaches that sort of critical mass point and crowd mentality takes over and launches them into celebrity and $$ etc etc.. What do u thonk?