If the air is 212 degrees F will water boil?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether water will boil if the air temperature is 212 degrees Fahrenheit. Participants explore the conditions necessary for boiling, including the effects of altitude, pressure, and thermal equilibrium, while addressing ambiguities in the question's phrasing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in answering a question posed by their science teacher regarding water boiling at 212 degrees F.
  • Another participant questions what temperature the water must reach for boiling to occur, noting that the flame temperature on a gas stove exceeds 212 F, yet water does not boil immediately.
  • Some participants argue that the question lacks important factors, leading to ambiguity in the answer.
  • It is noted that boiling points for liquids change with altitude, with an assumption that the discussion is centered around sea level conditions.
  • One participant emphasizes that water must reach 212 degrees F to boil and suggests that if water is exposed to 212-degree air long enough, it will eventually reach that temperature.
  • Another participant discusses thermal equilibrium, stating that if the air is heated constantly, the water will eventually reach 212 F, but if the air loses temperature while trying to heat the water, it may not reach boiling.
  • A participant highlights the distinction between evaporation and boiling, suggesting that the question may be about the formation of bubbles within the liquid rather than just evaporation at lower temperatures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the conditions necessary for boiling, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the implications of air temperature on water boiling.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the influence of altitude and pressure on boiling points, as well as the need for clarity in the question regarding heating conditions and definitions of boiling.

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I've been trying to figure this our for a while now. My science teacher asked this question and he wants an answer by tomorrow but I have no idea. Can anyone help with this?
 
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What must the temperature of the water be for boiling to occur? If you put a pot of water on a gas stove, the temperature of the flame is much hotter than 212 F. Does the water boil immediately?
 
In some places it will sometimes boil, in some it will never boil. Question leaves an important factor out, making the answer ambiguous.
 
Also, keep in mind that boiling points for liquids change with altitude (though, I assume the question is for sea level).
 
Joseph King said:
boiling points for liquids change with altitude

With pressure to be precise. Which is exactly what I was referring to.
 
Yes I'm talking at sea level. Like if the air temperature was 212 degrees F would the oceans boil away?
 
In order to boil, the water must have a temperature of 212 degrees farenheit. If the water sits in 212 degree air long enough, it will eventually reach that temperature.
 
The water will eventually reach a thermal equilibrium (where all elements in the system are at the same temperature). However, if my memory serves me, there are important elements of the question missing. Tt isn't specified whether or not the heating is constant. For example, if you heat only the air inside of an insulated container to 212 F, and fill it with cold water, the heat will impart kinetic energy into the water, thus heating it up, until the temperatures are equal. This is not at 212 F, because as the air tries to reach thermal equilibrium with the water, it loses temperature itself. Therefore, it would not, in a closed system with insufficient energy.

HOWEVER, if this is a system where the air is constantly heated, then YES, it will eventually reach thermal equilibrium. As an example, if the sun was hot enough to where the air at sea level was 212 F, the sun is constantly heating the air, so it doesn't matter how much kinetic energy it puts into the water. The water would eventually reach 212 F, from the air, and the oceans would boil away over time. (Note: This is a flawed example, because the ocean has salt in it, which alters the boiling point. Just assume that this is pure water, with no additives.)

So, essentially, if the air is losing kinetic energy as it heats the water, this will not heat it to boiling.
 
I think the answer relies on your definition of boiling. It isn't just asking will the water evaporate; it will do that below 212. I think it's asking will bubbles of vapour form within the liquid, i.e., beneath the surface.
 

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