If the big crunch theory is correct, Then wouldn't history repeat itself?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the Big Crunch theory and whether it suggests that history would repeat itself if the universe were to collapse into a black hole and subsequently lead to a second Big Bang. Participants explore the conditions under which this might occur, including the nature of scientific laws and the role of quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants propose that if the universe collapses into a black hole and then undergoes a second Big Bang, history might repeat itself under the assumption that conditions and energy content remain identical.
  • Others argue that this assumption relies on the idea that all scientific laws would remain unchanged, which is uncertain.
  • One participant suggests that the uncertainty principle implies that history will not repeat itself, as it introduces fundamental unpredictability in quantum events.
  • Another viewpoint posits that even if the universe is not deterministic, the finite combinations of matter and space could lead to a repetition of history over an infinite timescale.
  • A later reply questions the deterministic view by referencing the uncertainty principle, suggesting that it does not necessarily exclude determinism but highlights measurement limitations.

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Participants express differing views on whether history would repeat itself, with some supporting the idea of repetition under certain conditions and others emphasizing the role of quantum uncertainty and determinism. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of the uncertainty principle and the assumptions regarding scientific laws, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Assuming the Universe collapses into a giant black hole and the energy as a result leads to a 2nd Big Bang, Wouldn't "history" repeat itself?

Assuming condition were the same which I don't see why they wouldn't be and energy content will be identical.

But the only problem is this would assume all scientific law are the same, which is unknown.

Wouldn't this fulfill Laplace's demon since the the energy is in a single place?

this is very speculative,it is just a thought...I am a physics noob,,,,
 
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thewhills said:
Assuming the Universe collapses into a giant black hole and the energy as a result leads to a 2nd Big Bang, Wouldn't "history" repeat itself?

Assuming condition were the same which I don't see why they wouldn't be and energy content will be identical.

But the only problem is this would assume all scientific law are the same, which is unknown.

Wouldn't this fulfill Laplace's demon since the the energy is in a single place?

this is very speculative,it is just a thought...I am a physics noob,,,,

My guess is that the uncertainty principle suggests history will not repeat itself. Einstein famously said "God does not play dice with the universe". Modern quantum theory suggests Einstein was wrong on that point. However, just because for example we are unable to predict which atom in a radioactive sample will decay next, that does not in itself prove that if the universe replayed itself the exact same atoms would decay in the same sequence. That is the deterministic view of the universe and it implies no free will. In other words, whatever we decisions we make, however carefully thought out or random they seem, we would have done it anyway. One of the explanations for quantum phenomena is that every event in the universe from the Big Bang to the infinite future is predetermined and it is very difficult to prove that is not the case. Does anyone know of a proof?
 
But hasn't everything happened for a set reason involving energy?
For some reason post-big bang, matter formed in certain places. Energy also moved in certain ways for reasons...right?

Isn't the universe like one giant chain reaction?
 
No. Read what was said above about the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. It means that the universe is not deterministic.
 
Deterministic or not, it does not really matter.

If there is finite matter and finite space, there are only so many ways to combine them. If the cycle is infinite, then yes, history would repeat itself. Not necessarily right away, but eventually. In fact, every possible combination would happen an infinite number of times.

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kev said:
My guess is that the uncertainty principle suggests history will not repeat itself.
The uncertainty principle does not exclude the universe from being deterministic, it just states that there are limitations in measuring.
 

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