Will the Universe End in a Big Crunch?

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The discussion revolves around the fate of the universe, specifically the concept of whether it will end in a Big Crunch. Participants explore various theories related to the Big Bang, black holes, and the potential for the universe to collapse or continue expanding indefinitely.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants outline a sequence of events from the Big Bang to the formation of galaxies and black holes, suggesting a cyclical model where the universe could eventually collapse into a singularity and re-explode.
  • Others argue that points regarding the nature of black holes and their gravitational effects on surrounding systems are misrepresented, particularly the idea that black holes would "devour" solar systems.
  • There is contention over the interpretation of the Big Bang, with some asserting it was an explosion in a fixed space, while others clarify that it should not be viewed this way.
  • Some participants mention observational evidence suggesting the universe will continue to expand indefinitely, challenging the notion of a Big Crunch.
  • Speculation exists regarding the possibility of a cyclical universe, but it is noted that current observations do not support this model.
  • Discussions include the role of gravitational radiation and its implications for the interactions between massive objects like black holes and stars.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the fate of the universe, with no consensus reached on whether it will end in a Big Crunch or continue expanding forever. Disagreements persist on specific claims about black holes and the nature of the Big Bang.

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Some claims are based on interpretations of current scientific understanding, which may not account for all variables or assumptions. The discussion reflects a range of hypotheses and uncertainties regarding cosmological models.

  • #31
And you know this how?
 
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  • #32
jacksdvds said:
And you know this how?
Anything that moves faster than light emits radiation. If it's a charged particle, it emits Cherenkov radiation. This is observed, for example, when high-energy particles move through mediums faster than the speed of light in those mediums. If it uncharged, there are other, similar processes (they're slower, but still occur). So not only would anything moving faster than light be very much observable, it would rapidly cease to move faster than light as it loses energy.

That, or it's a tachyon, in which case the extra emission will just cause it to gain speed and emit more radiation, which would cause the universe to explode. As I mentioned.
 
  • #33
jacksdvds said:
Just because we can't see it doesn't mean there is not a speed faster than light!

I always wondered if there was nothing faster than light then why do we have black holes? What does it mean need an escape velocity faster than light?
 
  • #34
bill alsept said:
I always wondered if there was nothing faster than light then why do we have black holes? What does it mean need an escape velocity faster than light?

It means once you check in, you don't get out.
 
  • #35
Chalnoth said:
Anything that moves faster than light emits radiation. If it's a charged particle, it emits Cherenkov radiation. This is observed, for example, when high-energy particles move through mediums faster than the speed of light in those mediums. If it uncharged, there are other, similar processes (they're slower, but still occur). So not only would anything moving faster than light be very much observable, it would rapidly cease to move faster than light as it loses energy.

That, or it's a tachyon, in which case the extra emission will just cause it to gain speed and emit more radiation, which would cause the universe to explode. As I mentioned.

Hence, it has been observed "when energy particles move through mediums faster that the speed of light", supposes that there is a speed FTL. Your very words!

Secondly, energy moving through a medium, perhaps a flash light beam through a fish tank, the speed of the light beam on the emerging beam would then be slower than light speed due to the lost energy. Now we have a second argument and a second speed of light.

It strike me as though you are arguing both sides of the issue. Correct me if I mistook your words.
 
  • #36
Hence, it has been observed "when energy particles move through mediums faster that the speed of light", supposes that there is a speed FTL.

Light moves through mediums other than the vacuum at less than c.

the speed of the light beam on the emerging beam would then be slower than light speed due to the lost energy.

When the beam emerges from the medium back into the vacuum, it travels at c. Lost energy shows up as a lowering of the frequency.
 

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