If there are 10^500 solutions to $ Theory, doesn't that make it bunk?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of having an extremely large number of solutions (10^500) in string theory, particularly in relation to its validity as a theory of everything. Participants explore the nature of these solutions, their significance, and the potential for a more complete understanding of the theory.

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  • Some participants note that the existence of many solutions in a theory does not inherently undermine its validity, citing examples from classical mechanics where infinite solutions exist.
  • There is a distinction made between "vacuum solutions" in string theory and "true vacua," with some arguing that the nature of these solutions is not problematic in itself.
  • One participant suggests that the real issue may be the inability to predict which vacuum solution corresponds to our universe, drawing parallels to quantum electrodynamics.
  • Another viewpoint posits that describing string theory as "bunk" is overly harsh, suggesting instead that it may be incomplete and that further theories, like the Swampland conjecture, could help refine our understanding.
  • The Swampland conjecture is mentioned as a framework that might rule out many string vacua based on their properties, shifting the focus from the abundance of solutions to the challenge of finding viable ones.

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Participants express differing opinions on the implications of having numerous solutions in string theory. While some argue that it does not invalidate the theory, others question its completeness and predictive power. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall status of string theory in light of these considerations.

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Limitations in the discussion include the lack of consensus on what constitutes a "true vacuum" and the criteria for ruling out string vacua. The implications of the Swampland conjecture are also not fully explored, leaving open questions about its applicability.

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If you ask me there are much more than 10^500 possible universes... but let them do their "calculations".
 
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The mere fact that a theory has a lot of solutions is not a problem at all. For example, the Newton equation for a free particle in one dimension
$$\frac{d^2x(t)}{dt^2}=0$$
has an infinite number of solutions. :oldbiggrin:

A more precise statement about string theory is that it has a lot of vacuum solutions. However, here "vacuum" does not mean what someone naively might thought. The "vacuum" means a solution which represents a local minimum of some potential energy. But our ordinary theories, like quantum electrodynamics, can also be thought of as theories with an infinite number of "vacua" in that sense. E.g. every type of crystal (ice, diamond, ...) can be thought of as another type of "vacuum".

Now someone might say that what counts is the number of true vacua. Quantum electrodynamics, for instance, has only one true vacuum, the state with zero number of photons, electrons and positrons. But the so called string vacua, when expressed in terms of fundamental degrees of freedom of string (or M) theory, are not true vacua. The string vacua for string theory are more like different types of crystals for quantum electrodynamics.

Finally, one may object that the true problem with a lot of string solutions is that, a priori, one cannot predict which of the solutions is realized in nature. But again, this is not much different from quantum electrodynamics. For instance, quantum electrodynamics has a solution in which intelligent beings have 12 hands and 2 heads, living on a planet with 2 suns. The theory cannot predict that we, the actual intelligent beings, have only 2 hands, 1 head and 1 sun.
 
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If there are ##10^{500}## solutions to ##x=y##, that doesn't entail that ##x\neq y##, right?
 
Bunk is too strong a term. A better description would be incomplete. Maybe it is on the right track, maybe it isn't. But, we need a more complete theory to narrow it down.

And, what do you know, we kind of have one. The Swampland conjecture and the Weak Gravity Conjecture (more clearly explained in power point form here, at the beginning before it goes beyond the introduction of the concepts, with some references to underlying peer reviewed published journal article authorities) points out that almost all of the string vacua (and perhaps even all of them) can be categorically ruled out because they have one of a small handful of properties that are inconsistent with the observed universe. Specifically, "We refer to the space of quantum field theories which are incompatible with quantum gravity as the swampland. [Vafa, ’05]"

This flips the problem from being one of too many solutions ( ##10^{500}##), to a case of serious doubt about whether we can find any solution that meets this addition criterion.
 

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