Imaginary Can We Find the Least Time?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the least time for a cyclist to travel 240 meters while considering the need to brake at the end. Initially, the user attempted to apply the equation of motion but encountered an imaginary solution, leading to confusion about the correctness of their approach. After considering the need to decelerate, it was concluded that the cyclist would take 20 seconds to travel without braking, but the total time required, including braking, would be at least 22 seconds. The final calculations showed that the journey comprises an 18-second travel time plus 4 seconds for braking. The discussion emphasizes the importance of factoring in deceleration when determining total travel time.
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Homework Statement
See attached.
Relevant Equations
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
This is the problem;

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I tried using;
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
and ended up with, ##240## =## 12t -1.5t^2## clearly we have an imaginary solution here and therefore this may not be correct?
My wild guess is that the least time (Without deceleration) should take at least, ##t##=##\frac {240}{12}####=20##seconds
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached.
Relevant Equations:: ##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}##at^2##

This is the problem;

View attachment 294254I tried using;
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
and ended up with, ##240## =## 12t -1.5t^2## clearly we have an imaginary solution here and therefore this may not be correct?
My wild guess is that the least time (Without deceleration) should take at least, ##t##=##\frac {240}{12}####=20##seconds
Okay, if he doesn't brake, then he takes ##20s## to travel ##240m## at ##12m/s##.

But, he needs to brake and come to a stop at ##B##.
 
PeroK said:
Okay, if he doesn't brake, then he takes ##20s## to travel ##240m## at ##12m/s##.

But, he needs to brake and come to a stop at ##B##.
True, I can't seem to find the solution. I have the textbook solution with me...I need input...I have taken a break just to refresh and think about this question...
 
chwala said:
True, I can't seem to find the solution. I have the textbook solution with me...I need input...I have taken a break just to refresh and think about this question...
If you were the cyclist, what would you do?
 
PeroK said:
If you were the cyclist, what would you do?
Of course decelerate...at which we have ##v=0## at point ##B##. We can't use ##v = u +at##, here as ##t=4##, is misleading.
 
chwala said:
Of course decelerate...at which we have ##v=0## at point ##B##. We can't use ##v = u +at##, here as ##t=4##, is misleading.
When would you hit the brakes is the question?
 
PS do you know about the concept of "stopping distance", as it relates to road vehicles?
 
PeroK said:
When would you hit the brakes is the question?
I need to think about this...:biggrin:
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh i got it! Let me post my working.
 
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Now when the brakes are applied ( retardation)...leading to point ##B##, this takes a total time of ##t=4## as earlier indicated in post ##6##. Now distance traveled in the last ##4## seconds is,
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
##48-24= 24 ## metres
Therefore the first portion of the journey takes ##t##= ##\frac {216}{12}=18##seconds.

Therefore the cyclist will travel atleast ##18+4=22## seconds. Phew!:cool:
 
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