Imaginary Can We Find the Least Time?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving motion, specifically the calculation of time taken for a cyclist to travel a distance of 240 meters while considering the need to decelerate before stopping. The subject area includes kinematics and equations of motion.

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  • Participants explore the use of the equation ##s = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2## to determine time and distance. Some question the validity of their results, particularly regarding imaginary solutions and the implications of braking. Others discuss the implications of not braking and the need to consider stopping distance.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the problem and seeking input from others. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in determining when to brake, and some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and assumptions.

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Participants mention the need to account for deceleration and stopping distance, indicating that the problem may involve additional constraints not fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
See attached.
Relevant Equations
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
This is the problem;

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I tried using;
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
and ended up with, ##240## =## 12t -1.5t^2## clearly we have an imaginary solution here and therefore this may not be correct?
My wild guess is that the least time (Without deceleration) should take at least, ##t##=##\frac {240}{12}####=20##seconds
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached.
Relevant Equations:: ##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}##at^2##

This is the problem;

View attachment 294254I tried using;
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
and ended up with, ##240## =## 12t -1.5t^2## clearly we have an imaginary solution here and therefore this may not be correct?
My wild guess is that the least time (Without deceleration) should take at least, ##t##=##\frac {240}{12}####=20##seconds
Okay, if he doesn't brake, then he takes ##20s## to travel ##240m## at ##12m/s##.

But, he needs to brake and come to a stop at ##B##.
 
PeroK said:
Okay, if he doesn't brake, then he takes ##20s## to travel ##240m## at ##12m/s##.

But, he needs to brake and come to a stop at ##B##.
True, I can't seem to find the solution. I have the textbook solution with me...I need input...I have taken a break just to refresh and think about this question...
 
chwala said:
True, I can't seem to find the solution. I have the textbook solution with me...I need input...I have taken a break just to refresh and think about this question...
If you were the cyclist, what would you do?
 
PeroK said:
If you were the cyclist, what would you do?
Of course decelerate...at which we have ##v=0## at point ##B##. We can't use ##v = u +at##, here as ##t=4##, is misleading.
 
chwala said:
Of course decelerate...at which we have ##v=0## at point ##B##. We can't use ##v = u +at##, here as ##t=4##, is misleading.
When would you hit the brakes is the question?
 
PS do you know about the concept of "stopping distance", as it relates to road vehicles?
 
PeroK said:
When would you hit the brakes is the question?
I need to think about this...:biggrin:
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh i got it! Let me post my working.
 
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Now when the brakes are applied ( retardation)...leading to point ##B##, this takes a total time of ##t=4## as earlier indicated in post ##6##. Now distance traveled in the last ##4## seconds is,
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
##48-24= 24 ## metres
Therefore the first portion of the journey takes ##t##= ##\frac {216}{12}=18##seconds.

Therefore the cyclist will travel atleast ##18+4=22## seconds. Phew!:cool:
 
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