Imaginary Can We Find the Least Time?

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The discussion centers on calculating the least time for a cyclist to travel 240 meters at an initial speed of 12 m/s, factoring in the need to decelerate before reaching point B. The initial equation used was ##s = ut + \frac{1}{2}at^2##, leading to an imaginary solution when attempting to solve for time. The conclusion reached is that the cyclist will take at least 22 seconds to complete the journey, with 18 seconds spent traveling at constant speed and an additional 4 seconds for deceleration.

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Homework Statement
See attached.
Relevant Equations
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
This is the problem;

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I tried using;
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
and ended up with, ##240## =## 12t -1.5t^2## clearly we have an imaginary solution here and therefore this may not be correct?
My wild guess is that the least time (Without deceleration) should take at least, ##t##=##\frac {240}{12}####=20##seconds
 
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chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached.
Relevant Equations:: ##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}##at^2##

This is the problem;

View attachment 294254I tried using;
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
and ended up with, ##240## =## 12t -1.5t^2## clearly we have an imaginary solution here and therefore this may not be correct?
My wild guess is that the least time (Without deceleration) should take at least, ##t##=##\frac {240}{12}####=20##seconds
Okay, if he doesn't brake, then he takes ##20s## to travel ##240m## at ##12m/s##.

But, he needs to brake and come to a stop at ##B##.
 
PeroK said:
Okay, if he doesn't brake, then he takes ##20s## to travel ##240m## at ##12m/s##.

But, he needs to brake and come to a stop at ##B##.
True, I can't seem to find the solution. I have the textbook solution with me...I need input...I have taken a break just to refresh and think about this question...
 
chwala said:
True, I can't seem to find the solution. I have the textbook solution with me...I need input...I have taken a break just to refresh and think about this question...
If you were the cyclist, what would you do?
 
PeroK said:
If you were the cyclist, what would you do?
Of course decelerate...at which we have ##v=0## at point ##B##. We can't use ##v = u +at##, here as ##t=4##, is misleading.
 
chwala said:
Of course decelerate...at which we have ##v=0## at point ##B##. We can't use ##v = u +at##, here as ##t=4##, is misleading.
When would you hit the brakes is the question?
 
PS do you know about the concept of "stopping distance", as it relates to road vehicles?
 
PeroK said:
When would you hit the brakes is the question?
I need to think about this...:biggrin:
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh i got it! Let me post my working.
 
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Now when the brakes are applied ( retardation)...leading to point ##B##, this takes a total time of ##t=4## as earlier indicated in post ##6##. Now distance traveled in the last ##4## seconds is,
##s##=##ut##+##\frac {1}{2}####at^2##
##48-24= 24 ## metres
Therefore the first portion of the journey takes ##t##= ##\frac {216}{12}=18##seconds.

Therefore the cyclist will travel atleast ##18+4=22## seconds. Phew!:cool:
 
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