Impact & Gravitational Effects of Asteroids/Comets on Moons Orbit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential impact and gravitational effects of asteroids or comets on the orbit of moons, particularly in relation to the possibility of altering the moon's orbit enough to pose a threat to Earth. Participants explore the size and proximity required for such objects to have significant effects, as well as the implications of these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a sizeable fraction of the moon's mass would be needed for an asteroid or comet to significantly disturb its orbit, requiring close proximity.
  • Another participant argues that a substantial change in the moon's velocity would be necessary for it to collide with Earth, indicating that no asteroid could achieve this due to the moon's momentum.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the likelihood of the moon's orbit becoming irregular enough to lead to a collision with Earth, while acknowledging that it is not entirely ruled out.
  • There is a discussion about the feasibility of large enough objects existing in the solar system that could potentially cause such disturbances.
  • Participants note that the size of an object needed to cause a collision would depend on various factors, including its mass, proximity to the moon, and speed.
  • One participant emphasizes that any object capable of causing a collision would also likely lead to catastrophic consequences for Earth, such as global quakes and debris impacts.
  • Another participant concludes that there isn't a specific size for such an object, as it varies based on multiple conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that significant disturbances to the moon's orbit are unlikely but remain open to the theoretical possibility. Multiple competing views exist regarding the feasibility and conditions necessary for such events to occur.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the interactions between celestial bodies and the various factors that influence orbital dynamics, including mass, distance, and velocity. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the existence and characteristics of large objects in the solar system.

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How big would an asteroid or comet need to be to say, disturb the moons orbit, either by impact or gravitational attraction? And would this significantly alter the chances of "Death From Above"? :)
 
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To do more than change things a tiny amount it would have to be a sizeable fraction of the moons mass and pass very close to it. Probably much closer than the Moon is to the Earth.
 
MaverickBlue said:
And would this significantly alter the chances of "Death From Above"? :)

No.

The way you phrased your question suggests you're thinking of Death from Above via the Moon.

It would have to make a whopping change to the velocity of the Moon for it to collide with Earth. You would almost have to bring it to a halt. Anything less than that would merely put it in an eccentric orbit with a low perihelion. Of course, that would still cause quakes and the like...

No asteroid of any size could do that (since the Moon's momentum is far more than any asteroid).
 
By "death from above" I basically mean any object hitting the earth, either directly, or or by changing the moons orbit. So if the moons orbit were disturbed, and I don't just mean "big rock smashes moon which causes moon to smack into Earth like a billiard ball", are you saying that there's virtually no chance the moon's orbit would become irregular, thus leading to a possible eventual collision with the earth? It seems feasible to me that this could hypothetically happen, though the feasibility of a large enough object moseying along is questionable to me(as in, are there any objects this large wondering around the solar system), hence why I asked. :)
 
MaverickBlue said:
By "death from above" I basically mean any object hitting the earth, either directly, or or by changing the moons orbit.

Well any object could mean the asteroid. Certainly an encounter with the Moon could cause that.

MaverickBlue said:
...are you saying that there's virtually no chance the moon's orbit would become irregular, thus leading to a possible eventual collision with the earth?

It is not ruled out, but it would be very, very difficult to contrive the circumstances for it to happen.
 
MaverickBlue said:
are you saying that there's virtually no chance the moon's orbit would become irregular, thus leading to a possible eventual collision with the earth? It seems feasible to me that this could hypothetically happen, though the feasibility of a large enough object moseying along is questionable to me(as in, are there any objects this large wondering around the solar system), hence why I asked. :)

It is 100% possible if the right circumstances take place. I think our observations of the solar system have accounted for all objects of sufficient mass to do this however.
 
Just how big would an object need to be exactly?
 
It's not as simple as that. An object of mass great enough to cause the Moon to collide with Earth would also be large enough (and close enough) to
- cause global quakes
- pelt Earth with extinction-sized debris as the object broke up, and
- alter Earth's orbit.
 
MaverickBlue said:
Just how big would an object need to be exactly?

There isn't an exact amount. It depends on how close it gets to the moon, how fast it's traveling, and a myriad of other things. Let's just call it: Really freaking big.
 

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