Implicit Differentiation of 5=2x^2y+7xy^2

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The discussion focuses on finding the derivative \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) of the equation \(5 = 2x^2y + 7xy^2\) using implicit differentiation. Participants clarify that the derivative of a constant, such as 5, is zero, leading to the equation \(0 = 4xy + 2x^2y' + 7y^2 + 14xyy'\). After isolating \(y'\), the final expression for the derivative is \(\displaystyle y' = -\frac{y(4x + 7y)}{2x(x + 7y)}\). This method demonstrates the application of the product rule and implicit differentiation techniques.

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find dy/dx of
$$5=2x^2y+7xy^2$$

ok didn't know how to set this up with the $5=$
 
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karush said:
find dy/dx of
$$5=2x^2y+7xy^2$$

ok didn't know how to set this up with the $5=$
When you take the derivative of both sides you wind up with [math]\dfrac{d}{dx}(5)[/math]. What is the derivative of a constant?

-Dan
 
5x

But how do we know it is x not y
 
karush said:
5x

But how do we know it is x not y
You are trying to find the derivative [math]\dfrac{dy}{dx}[/math] right?

[math]5 = 2x^2 y + 7x y^2[/math]

[math]\dfrac{d}{dx}(5) = \dfrac{d}{dx} (2x^2 y) + \dfrac{d}{dx} (7x y^2) [/math]

-Dan
 
karush said:
5x

But how do we know it is x not y
NO! You appear to be integrating rather than differentiating. The derivative of any constant is 0.
 
$\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(5) = \dfrac{d}{dx} (2x^2 y) + \dfrac{d}{dx} (7x y^2)$
d/dx
$0=4xy-2x^2yy'+7y^2-14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2yy'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2y-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle \dfrac{d}{dx}(5) = \dfrac{d}{dx} (2x^2 y) + \dfrac{d}{dx} (7x y^2)$
d/dx
$0=4xy {\color{red}{+} 2x^2 y'}+7y^2 {\color{red}{+}} 14xyy'$

corrections ... try again
 
done try more!
$0=4xy-2x^2y'+7y^2-14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2y'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle
y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}
=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
 
karush said:
done try more!
$0=4xy-2x^2y'+7y^2-14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2y'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle
y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}
=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
Look more carefully at skeeter's post.
[math]\dfrac{d}{dx}(2x^2 y) = 4xy + 2x^2y'[/math]

[math]\dfrac{d}{dx}(7x y^2) = 7y^2 + 14xy y'[/math]

Why are you putting the negative sign in there?

-Dan
 
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$0=4xy+2x^2y'+7y^2+14xyy'$
isolate y'
$-2x^2y'-14xyy'=4xy+7y^2$
$y'(-2x^2-14xy)=4xy+7y^2$
simplify
$\displaystyle
y'= \frac{(4 xy + 7 y^2)}{(-2x^2 - 14x y)}
=- \frac{y (4 x + 7 y)}{2 x (x + 7 y)}$
 

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