Impulse and Momentum problem on skaters

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The problem involves two skaters colliding and moving together after the collision, with a focus on impulse and momentum concepts. The skaters have different masses and initial velocities, and the task is to determine the angle and final speed after the collision, assuming no friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the angle theta using trigonometric relationships but questions the accuracy of their result compared to a reference. They also express uncertainty about calculating the final speed, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of vector addition.

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Some participants have pointed out the importance of conservation of momentum in solving the problem and have suggested treating momenta as vectors. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's approach, and hints have been provided to guide their understanding without offering direct solutions.

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Participants note that the original poster may be missing key concepts related to vector treatment in momentum calculations. There is a reference to an answer booklet that provides different values for the angle, indicating potential discrepancies in understanding.

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[SOLVED] Impulse and Momentum problem on skaters

Homework Statement



A 50.0-kg skater is traveling due east at a speed of 3.00 m/s. A 70.0-kg skater is moving due south at a speed of 7.00 m/s. They collide and hold on to each other after the collision, managing to move off at an angle theta south of east, with a speed of v(f). Find (a) the angle theta and (b) the speed v(f), assuming that friction can be ignored.

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Momentum = mass * volume

The Attempt at a Solution



I first decided to find the angle theta. I drew a picture on a separate sheet of paper (sorry, I don't have a way of posting an image here, but it should be easy to reproduce) to make the problem look easier. I used tan theta=(opposite/adjacent) but I got 66.8 degrees as my answer with 7 as the opposite and 3 as the adjacent, whereas my answer booklet says 73.0 degrees. I thought velocities could be treated as vectors.

Also, for part b, the answer is 4.28 m/s, but I also don't know how to get this answer. I thought I could use the pythagorean theorem, but that doesn't work. It seems like I'm missing some vital concepts here. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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The "vital concept here" is simply conservation of momentum. we have 2 objects each moving in one direction then they collide and begin moving in a 2 dimensional path. So find the initial momentum south m*v and set it equal to the new mass of the skaters together. This will give us the first component of our final velocity vector. Then do the same with the eastward momentum. then once you have a final east velocity and a south velocity you can add them using the Pythagorean theorem.
 
Hi DMOC! :smile:
DMOC said:
I used tan theta=(opposite/adjacent) but I got 66.8 degrees as my answer with 7 as the opposite and 3 as the adjacent, whereas my answer booklet says 73.0 degrees. I thought velocities could be treated as vectors.

You're finding the relative velocity! :rolleyes:

Hint: momentums can be treated as vectors also. :wink:
 
Thank you! I found both answers (well, I got 4.27 m/s for part b but that's just 0.01 off) correctly!
 

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