continuing from another thread. or rewriting physics ? and epistemology and ontology another acausal model. "The causaloid framework" http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0509120v1 "Quantum theory is a probabilistic theory with fixed causal structure. General relativity is a deterministic theory but where the causal structure is dynamic." http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.4464 http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n10/abs/ncomms2076.html "The idea that events obey a definite causal order is deeply rooted in our understanding of the world and at the basis of the very notion of time. But where does causal order come from, and is it a necessary property of nature?" from john norton: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/p/phimp/3521354.0003.004/1 "Each of the individual sciences seeks to comprehend the processes of the natural world in some narrow domain—chemistry, the chemical processes, biology; living processes, and so on. It is widely held, however, that all the sciences are uniﬁed at a deeper level in that natural processes are governed, at least in signiﬁcant measure, by cause and effect. Their presence is routinely asserted in a law of causation or principle of causality—roughly that every effect is produced through lawful necessity by a cause—and our accounts of the natural world are expected to conform to it," "I urge that the concepts of cause and effect are not the fundamental concepts of our science and that science is not governed by a law or principle of causality." mmmm ........ .