Incidents in the history of SR

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The discussion revolves around the historical context of Einstein's 1905 papers, specifically addressing the absence of citations in his work and the circumstances surrounding his Nobel Prize money allocation to his wife, Maric. The scope includes historical analysis and reflections on academic practices of the time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Einstein's 1905 paper contained no citations, questioning why this was the case given modern academic practices.
  • One participant mentions that Einstein did cite other physicists, such as Planck, Lenard, and Stark, in his other 1905 papers, suggesting that the lack of citations might be due to the well-known nature of the discussed theories.
  • Another participant speculates that Einstein may have omitted citations because he believed the material was common knowledge among his contemporaries.
  • There is a discussion about the allocation of Einstein's Nobel Prize money to his wife, with some participants indicating that this was part of a divorce settlement and not surprising given his family circumstances.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether Einstein simply forgot to include citations or if he deemed them unnecessary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the reasons behind the lack of citations in Einstein's work, with no clear consensus on whether it was due to common knowledge or an oversight. The discussion about the Nobel Prize money allocation also reflects differing perspectives on its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the historical context of academic citation practices, which may differ significantly from contemporary standards. There is also an implicit understanding that the norms of the early 20th century scientific community may have influenced Einstein's decisions.

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I'm curious about two things. Why did Einstein's 1905 paper contain no citations? Nowadays most papers have one or two pages full of citations, I don't know about back then but he must have had a few.

Secondly, Einstein willed some of his Nobel money to his wife Maric. But that was a year or two before he received the prize. Somewhat strange.
 
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In his paper, "Über einen die Erzeugung und Verwandlung des Lichtes betreffenden heuristischen Gesichtspunkt", der Physik 17 (6): 132–148, Einstein cited Planck, Lenard and Stark.

In his third ("Zur Elektrodynamik bewegter Körper", Annalen der Physik 17 (10): 891–921.) and fourth ( "Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?", Annalen der Physik 18 (13): 639–641.) papers of 1905, Einstein refers to the Maxwell-Hertz equations, and in the third refers to Lorentz's theory of electrodynamics. Perhaps since the equations were so well known to the readers, it is not necessary to provide a citation. Otherwise, the work is radically new, original and unprecedented, and there is no additional references.

Also in the third paper, Einstein acknowledges help and contribution from a colleague, M. Besso, although the specifics are not mentioned.
 
I guess Lorentz's theories must've been pretty well-known for Einstein to mention but not cite it.

Or maybe he just forgot. :blushing:
 
tade said:
I'm curious about two things. Why did Einstein's 1905 paper contain no citations? Nowadays most papers have one or two pages full of citations, I don't know about back then but he must have had a few.

Secondly, Einstein willed some of his Nobel money to his wife Maric. But that was a year or two before he received the prize. Somewhat strange.

No citations. You'd have to ask him why. Everything he discussed was pretty well known, so I guess he felt they were unnecessary.

Einstein had two children and divorced. Part of the settlement was that his wife would get the Nobel money. It was no surprise when he was awarded it.
 
ImaLooser said:
No citations. You'd have to ask him why. Everything he discussed was pretty well known, so I guess he felt they were unnecessary.

Yeah, I mentioned that in the previous post.


ImaLooser said:
Einstein had two children and divorced. Part of the settlement was that his wife would get the Nobel money. It was no surprise when he was awarded it.

No surprise when he was awarded.

But he managed to predict when quite accurately. 'twas probably a close-knit phys community at that time.
 

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