Increasing sequence of sigma algebras

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The discussion revolves around the concept of increasing sequences of sigma algebras in the context of continuous Markov processes. Participants explore the definitions, properties, and implications of these sigma algebras, particularly focusing on their relationships and the nature of the information they encapsulate over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the definition of sigma algebras in relation to the indexed collection defined by \(\mathcal{F}_t = \sigma\{ X(s): s < t\}\) and question the implications of set inclusion for increasing sequences.
  • Others argue that \(\mathcal{F}_t\) and \(\mathcal{F}_s\) can be viewed as subsets of the powerset of \(\Omega\), with \(\mathcal{F}_t\) being a finer subdivision due to additional information available at time \(t\).
  • A participant seeks clarification on the technical implementation of the concept of "groups together" in the context of sigma algebras.
  • There are discussions about equivalence relations defined on \(\Omega\) and how they relate to the construction of sigma algebras, with a focus on the partitions arising from these relations.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the nature of the mathematical objects being subdivided and the implications of sigma algebra operations.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the generation of sigma algebras from partitions and the continuous nature of the index \(t\), which complicates intuitive understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the foundational definitions and properties of sigma algebras but express differing views on the implications of these properties and the nature of the information contained within them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to conceptualize the increasing sequence of sigma algebras and their relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of sigma algebras and the equivalence relations, as well as the complexity introduced by the continuous index \(t\), which may affect intuitive understanding of the construction process.

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The explanation of a continuous Markov process X(t) defines an indexed collection of sigma algebras by \mathcal{F}_t = \sigma\{ X(s): s &lt; t\} and this collection is said to be increasing with respect to the index t.

I'm trying to understand why the notation used for set inclusion is used to express the relation of "increasing" for a collection of sigma algebras.

A straightforward approach is to think of a set of sigma algebras that are each a collection of subsets of the same set and to define the concept of sub-sigma algebra in terms of one collection of sets being a subset of another collection of sets.

However, don't \mathcal{F}_t and \mathcal{F}_s denote sigma algebras defined on different sets when s \ne t ? I think of \mathcal{F}_t as being a sigma algebra of subsets of (only) the set of all trajectories of the process up to time t. \ If s &gt; t then isn't \mathcal{F}_s a sigma algebra of subsets of a different set of trajectories?
 
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Every ##\mathscr{F}_t## is a subset of the powerset of ##\Omega##, which is the set of all full trajectories, from the earliest time to the latest time.

The difference between ##\mathscr{F}_s## and ##\mathscr{F}_t## where ##s<t## is that the former groups together all full trajectories that have the same path up to time ##s## and the latter does the same in relation to the later time ##t##. So the latter is a finer subdivision because it has the extra info that emerges between times ##s## and ##t##.
 
andrewkirk said:
Every ##\mathscr{F}_t## is a subset of the powerset of ##\Omega##, which is the set of all full trajectories, from the earliest time to the latest time.
Ok
The difference between ##\mathscr{F}_s## and ##\mathscr{F}_t## where ##s<t## is that the former groups together all full trajectories that have the same path up to time ##s## and the latter does the same in relation to the later time ##t##.
What is the technical implementation of the concept of "groups together"?

So the latter is a finer subdivision because it has the extra info that emerges between times ##s## and ##t##.

I understand the concept of "extra info", but I don't see what mathematical object is being subdivided.
 
Let ##t_0## be the earliest time and ##T## the latest time, and ##\Omega## be the set of all possible paths traced out by the process between these two. ##\Omega## is called the sample space. ##\mathscr{F}## (note the lack of subscript) is a subset of the powerset of ##\Omega##, that defines the set of all measurable subsets of ##\Omega##. We will denote paths in ##\Omega## by ##\omega##.

Denote the value of path ##\omega## at time ##t## by ##X(t,\omega)##.

Then for every time ##t## define an equivalence relation ##\sim_t## on ##\Omega## by:

$$\omega_1\sim_t\omega_2\textrm{ iff }\forall s\in[t_0,t]\ X(s,\omega_1)=X(s,\omega_2)$$

That is, the paths ##\omega_1,\omega_2## are equivalent by relation ##\sim_t## iff they are identical up to time ##t## (They may diverge after that).

Then, if we define ##\mathscr{C}_u## as the partition of ##\Omega## arising from the equivalence relation ##\sim_u##, we can define ##\mathscr{F}_t\equiv\bigcup{u=t_0}^t\mathscr{C}_u##. [That last sentence has been corrected, based on observations by Stephen Tashi]

The next para, italicised and enclosed in square brackets [], is wrong, so ignore it. I've left it in just to avoid the change causing confusion about what was originally written
[So if ##S\in\mathscr{F}_t## then all paths in ##S## are identical up to time ##t##. If ##S_1,S_2\in\mathscr{F}_t## and ##S_1\neq S_2## then every path in ##S_1## must differ from every path in ##S_2## for at least one time in the range ##[t_0,t]##.]

It is easy to deduce from this that ##\mathscr{F}_t## is a sigma algebra that is a subset (subalgebra) of ##\mathscr{F}## and that ##\mathscr{F}_s\subseteq\mathscr{F}_t## if ##s<t##.

The sequence of sigma algebras ##\{\mathscr{F}_t\}_{t\in[t_0,T]}## is called a filtration on the measure space ##(\Omega,\mathscr{F})##.
 
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andrewkirk said:
It is easy to deduce form this that ##\mathscr{F}_t## is a sigma algebra that is a subset (subalgebra) of ##\mathscr{F}## and that ##\mathscr{F}_s\subseteq\mathscr{F}_t## if ##s<t##.

If a \in \mathscr{F}_s then a can be written as an uncountable union of those members in \mathscr{F}_t that have the same trajectory as a on the interval [t_0,s], but how do I see that a can be expressed using the operations of a sigma algebra?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
how do I see that a a can be expressed using the operations of a sigma algebra?

Are you asking whether ##a\in\mathscr{F}_s## can be expressed in terms of elements of ##\mathscr{F}_t## using the operations that are closed within a sigma algebra? If so then it's easy, because ##a## is a member of ##\mathscr{F}_t## as well, since ##\mathscr{F}_s\subseteq\mathscr{F}_t##. So the expression needed is simply ##a=a##.
 
andrewkirk said:
If so then it's easy, because ##a## is a member of ##\mathscr{F}_t## as well,

The way I look at it intuitively is that \mathscr{F}_t is generated by a collection of sets that are each "smaller than a" or exclude a. \ Am I not visualizing this correctly? We did say that \mathscr{F}_t is formed by taking equivalence classes of sets that make a finer partition of \mathscr{F} than the partition used to define \mathscr{F}_s.

For example, pretending for the moment that we have a discrete index, an element of the partition used to define \mathscr{F}_s could be as set like a = all sets of the form \{1,5,7, ?, ?, ?, ... \} where "?" can be an arbitrary value. An element of the partition used to define \mathscr{F}_t could be something like b = all sets of the form \{1,5,7,6,4,?,?,? ...\}. We have b \subset a.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
For example, pretending for the moment that we have a discrete index, an element of the partition used to define ##\mathscr{F}_s## could be as set like ##a## = all sets of the form {1,5,7,?,?,?,...} where "?" can be an arbitrary value. An element of the partition used to define ## \mathscr{F}_t## could be something like ##b## = all sets of the form {1,5,7,6,4,?,?,?...}. We have ##b \subset a## .

Actually, this makes me realize that I didn't express it quite correctly in post 4, where I said we 'define ##\mathscr{F}_t## as the partition of ##\Omega## arising from the equivalence relation ##\sim_t##.' Most sigma-algebras are not partitions, because they contain overlapping sets, and in this case they certainly do.

What I should have written is that, if we use ##\mathscr{C}_u## to denote the collection of sets that is the partition of ##\Omega## defined by ##\sim_u##, then ##\mathscr{F}_t## is the sigma algebra generated by ##\bigcup_{u=t_0}^t \mathscr{C}_u##.

So every new value of ##t## adds a new bunch of sets to the growing sigma algebra. Because the ##t## index is continuous, we don't get a nice intuitive feel for this, that enables us to imagine the sigma algebra being 'constructed' as ##t## increases, like we do with discrete indices, because there is no 'next' or 'last' ##t##. But it's all perfectly well-defined and rigorous.

I hope that makes more sense. Sorry for misleading you.
 
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andrewkirk said:
What I should have written is that, if we use ##\mathscr{C}_u## to denote the collection of sets that is the partition of ##\Omega## defined by ##\sim_u##, then ##\mathscr{F}_t=\bigcup_{u=t_0}^t \mathscr{C}_u##.

Do we need to say \mathscr{F}_t = the sigma algebra generated by \bigcup_{u=t_0}^t \mathscr{C}_u ?

But anyway, I get the basic idea now. Thank you.
 

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