Inequality Proof: Is Multiplying Both Sides Valid?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of multiplying both sides of an inequality in the context of proving that if ##x > 0## and ##y < z##, then ##xy < xz##. Participants explore the implications of this multiplication and whether it is justified within the proof presented in a mathematical analysis text.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the proof, suggesting that the author may be using the result to prove itself by multiplying both sides of the inequality without justification.
  • Another participant argues that the assumption that multiplying two positive numbers yields a positive result does not require the theorem being proven, indicating no issue with the proof's logic.
  • A third participant expresses confusion regarding the previous comments, seeking clarification on the reasoning presented.
  • A fourth participant reiterates that the product of two positive numbers cannot be negative, suggesting that this supports the validity of the multiplication step in the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the justification of multiplying both sides of the inequality. Some support the proof's logic, while others question its validity, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the conditions under which multiplication of inequalities is valid, particularly concerning the positivity of the numbers involved.

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Hello,

In Principles of Mathematical Analysis, the author is attempting to demonstrate that, if ##x > 0## and ##y < z##, then ##xy < xz##, which essentially states that multiplying by a positive number does not disturb the inequality.

I am hoping someone will quickly denounce this with an adequate explanation, but I feel as though the author is using the result to prove it.

He begins by noting that, if ##z > y##, ##z - y > 0##. He multiplies both sides by ##x > 0##, and gets ##x(z-y) > 0##.

This seems to be a special case of the theorem which we are trying to prove. Wouldn't this be an invalid step as we do not know what results from multiplying both sides of an inequality? Let ##c = z - y##, and replace ##y## with zero in the theorem. This would give us

If ##x > 0## and ##0 < c##, then ##x \cdot 0 < xc##.

Am I mistaken?
 
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He is assuming that if you multiply two positive numbers, you will get a positive number. I don't think for knowing this, you need to know the theorem mentioned, so I see no problem with the proof.
 
Shyan said:
I don't think for knowing this...

I am sorry, but I do not quite follow what you are saying here.
 
Bashyboy said:
I am sorry, but I do not quite follow what you are saying here.
The product of two numbers is negative only when one of them is negative. You can't get a negative number by multiplying two positive numbers.
 

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