Inequality with modulus question

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The problem involves finding the maximum value of 'n' such that the modulus of the difference between π and 22/7 is less than 10-n. The context is centered around understanding inequalities involving modulus and approximations of π.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between π and 22/7, exploring the modulus concept and its implications for the inequality. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of modulus and how it relates to the value of n.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the modulus concept and its application. There is a recognition of the relationship between the calculated value of π - 22/7 and the inequality involving 10-n, though no consensus on the maximum value of n has been reached.

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There is some uncertainty regarding the definition of modulus and its application in this context, as well as the implications of the calculated values in relation to the inequality.

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Homework Statement



What is the maximum value of 'n' such that the modulus of pi-22/7 < 10-n?

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I have worked out that pi > -10-n + 22/7 , and pi < 10n +22/7. I also know that 10-n is equivalent to 1/10n. I do not know where to go after this however.
 
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hi vodkasoup! :smile:
vodkasoup said:
What is the maximum value of 'n' such that the modulus of pi-22/7 < 10-n?

π = 3.14159265…

22/7 = 3.14285714…​

what is π - 22/7 ?

what is it less than? :wink:
 
Hi tiny-tim, thanks for the reply :)

Haha, I didn't even notice the 22/7 relating to pi!

So π - 22/7 is, according to my calculator, -0.001 ... which is less than 0.

I still can't quite see how to relate this to 10-n. I'm a bit slow today, haha.

It seems that no matter how much I increase the value of n, -0.001 will always be lower.

Am I on the right track with the 1/10n thing?
 
hi vodkasoup! :smile:
vodkasoup said:
So π - 22/7 is, according to my calculator, -0.001 ... which is less than 0.

that's ok, the question asks you about the modulus, doesn't it? :wink:
I still can't quite see how to relate this to 10-n.

what's 10-1? what's 10-2? what's 10-3? …
 
Hmm. I think I may be a bit unclear on the meaning of 'modulus'. Is it the 'distance' to 0 of a given point?

If that is so, would the maximum value of n be 2, because 1 / 10 to the third power is 0.001, which does not satisfy the inequality?
 
vodkasoup said:
Hmm. I think I may be a bit unclear on the meaning of 'modulus'. Is it the 'distance' to 0 of a given point?

yes, modulus is the magnitude

so, for a number x, the modulus, |x|, is always positive (or zero)
If that is so, would the maximum value of n be 2, because 1 / 10 to the third power is 0.001, which does not satisfy the inequality?

yes :smile:
 
Thanks so much for your help tiny-tim! Sorry I took so long to reply here; I've been so busy over the last couple of days. Very much appreciate your help.
 

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