Inexact differential equation with unknown function M(t)

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The discussion revolves around finding a general expression for an integrating factor to solve the differential equation \(\frac{dx}{dt} = \frac{x - f}{x}\), where \(f = f(t)\) is an arbitrary function of \(t\) with specific properties. The conversation explores the nature of the equation, its classification as an Abel's equation, and the implications of the function \(f\) on the solvability of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a general integrating factor \(\mu(x,t)\) for the given differential equation.
  • Another participant identifies the equation as an Abel's equation, stating it is not solvable in its general form without an explicit definition of \(f\).
  • A question is raised about the proof of the non-solvability for general forms of \(f(t)\), with a distinction made between "cannot solve" meaning "cannot solve analytically."
  • A transformation \(z=1/x\) is suggested, which reclassifies the equation as an Abel's equation of the first kind, with mentions of special cases where solutions may exist.
  • One participant references a paper discussing the potential for non-integrable ODEs to become integrable with the introduction of new special functions.
  • Another participant notes that numerical methods can solve the ODE, implying that analytical solutions may not be necessary.
  • There is a mention that if \(f\) is constant, the equation can be solved using the Lambert W function, although it is acknowledged that the equation is separable in this case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the solvability of the differential equation, particularly regarding the role of the function \(f\). There is no consensus on whether a general solution exists, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which solutions may be found.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the current understanding of the equation's solvability, particularly the dependence on the specific form of \(f(t)\) and the implications of different mathematical approaches.

tom.stoer
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I am looking for a general expression for an integrating factor μ(x,t) to solve the following diffential equation for x(t)

[tex]\frac{dx}{dt} = \frac{x - f}{x}[/tex]

f = f(t) is an arbitrary function of t with f > 0 and df/dt < 0

Any ideas?
 
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This ODE is an Abel's equation which is not solvable on it's general form. The function f must be explicitely defined for any further attempt to solve it.
 
JJacqulin, is there a proof that you cannot solve it for general good profile for $f(t)$?
 
Thanks for the hint regarding the type of the equation. One can set z=1/x which transforms the equation in an Abel's equation of the 1st kind (in x it's 2nd kind). I found several statements that this type of equation is not solvable via integration in general, but that there are special cases where this may be possible - unfortunately w/o any further explanations what these special cases are :-(
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
JJacqulin, is there a proof that you cannot solve it for general good profile for $f(t)$?

I think "cannot solve" here means "cannot solve analytically", not "can prove that a solution does not exist even for well-behaved [itex]f[/itex]".
 
"An Abel ordinary differential equation class generalizing known integrable classes" : E.S. Cheb-Terrah, A.D.Roche, arXIV:math/0002059v3, 23 Feb 2004
Note: in is impossible to say that a today non-integrable ODE wili not become integrable in the futur. All depends of the standard special functions defined in the present and in the futur. A new special function could be studied, published, implemented in the maths sofwares, accepted and recorded as a standard special function. Eventualy, this new special function may allow to solve an Abel's ODE which was not solvable before.
http://fr.scribd.com/doc/14623310/S...tions-Safari-au-pays-des-fonctions-speciales-
 
Of course, "cannot solve" here means "cannot solve analytically". The ODE considered by tom.stoers is solvable thanks to numerial methods.
 
tom.stoer said:
I found several statements that this type of equation is not solvable via integration in general ...
What I mean is that the equation

[tex]\frac{dx}{dt} = \frac{x - f}{x}[/tex]

cannot be solved via a general formula like the formula used for exact differential equations. This is what I am looking for and what is not known today, as I had to learn.
 
If ##f## is a constant, you can solve this in terms of the Lambert W function. I discovered this by plugging it into Mathematica DSolve, but here's a simple way to get the answer. Consider

[tex]t = x - a + a \ln (x - a) + C[/tex]
Then

[tex]\frac{dt}{dx} = 1 + \frac{a}{x - a} = \frac{x}{x - a}[/tex]
which is what we want, so just invert ##t(x)##:

[tex]\tilde{C} e^{t/a} = \frac{(x - a)}{a} e^{(x - a)/a}[/tex]
or

[tex]x = a \big[ 1 + W( \tilde{C} e^{t/a} ) \big][/tex]
Edit: But I guess if ##f## is a constant, the equation was separable anyway.
 
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for f = const. the equation is separable, so no post is necessary ;-)
 

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