Infinitesimal arc-length square

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "infinitesimal arc-length square" in the context of parameterized curves and metrics in space. Participants explore the mathematical expressions for arc length and how they apply to different metrics.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of the expression (ds)^2=(dx)^2+(dy)^2+(dz)^2, suggesting it relates to arc length in three-dimensional space.
  • Another participant explains the calculation of arc length using parameterized curves and the limit of polygonal approximations, leading to the expression ds^2 = dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about applying the second metric (ds)^2=(dx)^2+(1+x^2)(dy)^2 -2x(dy) +(dz)^2, questioning its definition and potential applications.
  • Another participant notes that the expression is unfamiliar and contrasts it with typical line integrals encountered in calculus, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of its context or application.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of the second metric, and there is uncertainty regarding its definition and relevance. Multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the second metric, including potential dependencies on specific applications or contexts that are not fully explored.

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Hello

I am trying to understand the "infinitesimal arc-length square." So (ds)^2=(dx)^2+(dy)^2+(dz)^2. What does this means?

And then what does (ds)^2=(dx)^2+(1+x^2)(dy)^2 -2x(dy) +(dz)^2 mean? And how does this apply to a space?
 
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If you have a parameterized curve

\vec r(t) = \langle x(t), y(t), z(t) \rangle,\, t \in [a,b]

you calculate the arc length by taking the limit of polygonal approcimations. If

a = t_0 < t_1 < ...< t_n = b

the polygonal approximation to the arc length is

P_n = \sum_{i=1}^n |\vec r(t_i) - \vec r(t_{i-1})|

Here the absolute value signs represent Euclidean distance so

|\vec r(t_i) - \vec r(t_{i-1})| = \sqrt{(x(t_i)-x(t_{i-1}))^2+(y(t_i)-y(t_{i-1}))^2+(z(t_i)-z(t_{i-1}))^2}

This is sometimes written the the delta notation:

\Delta s_i \approx \Delta P_i =\sqrt{(\Delta x_i)^2 + (\Delta y_i)^2 + (\Delta z_i})^2

Passing to the limit suggests the notation ds^2 = dx^2+dy^2+dz^2
 
Thanks, that's great.

I'm not really sure if this question would be well defined, but how would I then apply this method to the second metric <br /> (ds)^2=(dx)^2+(1+x^2)(dy)^2 -2x(dy) +(dz)^2<br />?
 
andlook said:
Thanks, that's great.

I'm not really sure if this question would be well defined, but how would I then apply this method to the second metric <br /> (ds)^2=(dx)^2+(1+x^2)(dy)^2 -2x(dy) +(dz)^2<br />?

I can't say I have seen that kind of expression. The type of line integral you usually see in calculus is one of these two:

\int_C \vec F \cdot\, d\vec R\ or\ \int_C \delta(x,y,z)\ ds

The first might represent work in a force field and the second the mass of a wire. Perhaps you are thinking of some other setting or application.
 

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