Infra red and ultra violet vision

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the visual capabilities of snakes and bees, specifically their ability to perceive infrared and ultraviolet light. Participants explore the nature of these perceptions, the mechanisms involved, and the implications for understanding color vision in these species.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that snakes can see infrared waves, equating this ability to a form of "heat vision."
  • Others clarify that snakes do not actually "see" infrared but rather sense heat through specialized organs, which differs from visual perception.
  • There is a question about whether bees perceive ultraviolet light as a color and how it interacts with other colors, with some uncertainty about the nature of their color vision.
  • One participant compares the sensory capabilities of snakes and bees to those of dogs hearing high-pitched sounds, suggesting that these animals are sensitive to different electromagnetic frequencies than humans.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the assumptions regarding bees' color vision, suggesting that they may not have trichromatic vision like humans.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether snakes see infrared light or merely sense it, and there is no consensus on how bees perceive ultraviolet light or the nature of their color vision.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of color perception and the assumptions about the visual systems of snakes and bees, particularly concerning the comparison to human vision.

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I heard that snakes can see infra red waves and e.g. bees can see ultra violet light.
so... infra red = heat = snakes have heat vision?
and do bees see ultra violet as a color? if yes, does it mix with other colors or is it like a filter?
 
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Actually, snakes don't "see" IR, their pit organs (ie the name pit vipers) sense the heat, which is much longer wavelength than near ir like the type visualized in infrared photography.
Some people have a similar sense, albeit much weaker...have you ever felt the radiant heat of a stove or campfire on your face?
 
I’m not sure what your logic train is Hypercharge, but it seems to me that you are making this more complex than it is. This is basically the same as dogs being able to hear high pitched whistles that we cannot. They can do that because their ears are sensitive to sound wave frequencies that our ears are not sensitive to. If snakes can see infrared and bees can see ultra-violet, then all it means is that their eyes are sensitive to electro-magnetic radiation frequencies that ours are not sensitive to. And the question of what colour bees see ultra-violet light as assumes that they have trichromatic vision. I would hazard a guess that they do not. Humans are one of the very few species that do.
 
Obvious, I tend to make things appear more complex than they are to me (bit of a problem for me).
Some people have a similar sense, albeit much weaker...have you ever felt the radiant heat of a stove or campfire on your face?
So I presume snakes might not see the heat, they sense it just very much better than we do.
And the question of what colour bees see ultra-violet light as assumes that they have trichromatic vision. I would hazard a guess that they do not. Humans are one of the very few species that do.
gah, I'm being too anthropocentric... Thanks anyways.
 

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