Initial velocity of an object colliding with another

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The problem involves a ball launched at an angle and a bullet shot vertically from a cannon, with the goal of determining the initial velocity required for the bullet to meet the ball in mid-air. The context is within the subject area of kinematics in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the height of the ball at a certain distance and the time it takes to reach that height. Some participants confirm the calculations and suggest writing equations of motion for the vertical projectile.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting relevant equations for the vertical motion of the bullet. There is an exploration of different approaches to find the initial velocity of the bullet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the formulas to use for vertical motion and the time taken for the ball to reach a specific height. There is also mention of the air resistance being ignored in the problem setup.

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Hi! I just started studying physics in German, and I am stuck about basic formulas partially because of the language.

1. Homework Statement


A ball is launched from the ground at a speed |vb0| = 90m/s with an angle of β = 50° to the horizontal axis x. At a distance of d = 60m is placed a canon, which shoots up perpendicularly to the horizontal axis at the same time as the ball is launched. With what initial velocity |vk0| must the bullet be shot from the canon in order to meet the ball?
Both the ball and the bullet are point-shaped and the air resistance is to be ignored. The relevant equations must be used in their vectorial form.

Homework Equations



Anything related to initial velocity and displacement from early courses of mechanics.

The Attempt at a Solution



It looks so simple that I feel ashamed to post here... I started by trying to find at what height yh the ball will be after the distance x = d, and for that purpose I used a formula from Wikipedia:
yh = y0 + d⋅tan β - (g⋅d2)/(2(v0⋅cosβ)2)
= 0 + 60⋅tan50° - (9.81⋅602)/(2(90⋅cos50°)2) = 66.23 m

Now I know the bullet is launched at the same time, but I still don't know how long it took for the ball to reach the height vh. Maybe t = d/(v0⋅cosβ) = 1.037s? That seems very short to reach 66.23m high!
I am also unsure on what formula to use to calculate the initial velocity of a vertical movement. Would someone be so kind to indicate me what formulas should be used in such a problem?Thank you very much in advance for your answers.J.
 
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Hi JulienB.

Your time and height for the projectile look okay to me.

For the vertical projectile, write another projectile equation of motion y(t) = ? . This time there's no x-component to deal with.
 
Thank you very much for your answer. Would that work with the equation y = v0 ⋅ t ⋅sin 90 - (1/2)g ⋅ t2? Using this, I obtain a plausible initial velocity of 68.78 m/s.
 
JulienB said:
Thank you very much for your answer. Would that work with the equation y = v0 ⋅ t ⋅sin 90 - (1/2)g ⋅ t2? Using this, I obtain a plausible initial velocity of 68.78 m/s.
Sure, that works. Or you could just write directly ##y = v_o t - \frac{1}{2} g t^2##. The launch angle of 90° is implied if it is vertical, and you have 1-dimensional motion with acceleration.
 

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