Inner Product Between States of Multiple Particles

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the inner product between states of multiple particles, specifically focusing on the manipulation of annihilation and creation operators within quantum field theory. Participants explore the use of commutation relations and the application of Wick's theorem in this context.

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  • One participant presents an identity involving inner products and attempts to prove it by opening commutators, expressing uncertainty about what they might be overlooking.
  • Another participant suggests using commutation relations to simplify the expression, emphasizing that certain annihilation operators will lead to zero when acting on the vacuum state.
  • A participant revisits their calculations and identifies a potential sign error while manipulating the operators, leading to confusion about the resulting terms.
  • Another participant questions the origin of a specific term in the calculations, indicating a need for clarification on the steps taken.
  • One participant attempts to apply the same method used previously to another operator pair but notes that the results are not aligning with their expectations, particularly regarding the appearance of certain commutator terms.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding and confirms that the expressions are indeed consistent, clarifying the treatment of delta functions in the context of momentum conservation.
  • Another participant highlights that the entire exercise is formalized in Wick's theorem and relates it to Feynman diagrams, suggesting a broader theoretical framework for the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the steps and calculations involved, with some uncertainty remaining about specific terms and their origins. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the correct approach or final expression.

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Participants rely on specific commutation relations and normalization conventions, which may not be universally defined. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions that influence the interpretations of the results.

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$$<p_1 p_2|p_A p_B> = \sqrt{2E_1 2E_2 2E_A 2E_B}<0|a_1 a_2 a_{A}^{\dagger} a_{B}^{\dagger} |0>$$ $$=2E_A2E_B(2\pi)^6(\delta^{(3)}(p_A-p_1)\delta{(3)}(p_B-p_2) + \delta^{(3)}(p_A-p_2)\delta^{(3)}(p_B-p_1))$$

The identity above seemed easy, until I tried to prove it. I figured I could work this out backwards opening all the commutators:

$$[a_A,a_{1}^{\dagger}]\cdot[a_B,a_{2}^{\dagger}]+[a_A,a_{2}^{\dagger}]\cdot[a_B,a_{1}^{\dagger}]$$

My idea was that this would reduce to ##a_1 a_2 a_{A}^{\dagger} a_{B}^{\dagger}##, but that just didn't happen. What am I overlooking here?
 
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You should use the commutation relations to bring one annihilation operator to the very right, leading to 0, because it annihilates the vacuum state. The only building block you really need is that (obviously in your convention of normalization of the momentum states),
$$[\hat{a}_1,\hat{a}_2^{\dagger}]=(2 \pi)^3 \delta^{(3)}(\vec{p}_1-\vec{p}_2).$$
 
Ok, I tried it again. This time I tried doing it directly using the commutator relation to open the ##a_2a_{A}^{\dagger}## term, but I seem to be getting a sign error somehow:
$$a_1((2\pi)^3\delta^3(p_2-p_A)+a_{A}^{\dagger}a_2)a_{B}^{\dagger} $$
$$=a_1 a_{B}^{\dagger}(2\pi)^3\delta^3(p_2-p_A)+ a_1a_{A}^{\dagger}a_2a_{B}^{\dagger}$$
$$=((2\pi)^3\delta^3(p_1-p_B)+\underbrace{a_{B}^{\dagger}a_1}_0)((2\pi)^3\delta^3(p_2-p_A))+a_1a_{A}^{\dagger}((2\pi)^3\delta^3(p_2-p_B)+\underbrace{a_{B}^{\dagger}a_2}_0)$$

$$=(2\pi)^6(\delta^3(p_1-p_B)\delta^3(p_2-p_A)+\delta^3(p_2-p_A)+\delta^3(p_1-p_A)\delta^3(p_2-p_B))$$
 
I don't see, where you get the 2nd term in the bracket from, and then there's everything fine.
 
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I did the same thing that I had done with ##a_2a_{A}^{\dagger}##, but this time for ##a_2 a_{B}^{\dagger}##:

$$a_2 a_{B}^{\dagger} = [a_2,a_{B}^{\dagger}] + a_{B}^{\dagger}a_2$$

I did this to ##a_1 a_{B}^{\dagger}## and ##a_1 a_{A}^{\dagger}## too. The result is pretty close to what I wanted, but not the same. I should somehow be getting commutator terms like ##[a_{A},a_{2}^{\dagger}]## to account for ##\delta^{3}(p_A-p_2)## for example.
 
Nevermind, you're right. It's the same thing as the expression I wanted, since: $$\delta^3(p_A-p_2)=\delta^3(-(p_2-p_A) )= \frac{\delta^3(p_2-p_A)}{|-1|}=\delta^3(p_2-p_A)$$
Everything is fine.
 
Note that this entire exercise is formalized in "Wick's theorem" and finally written in an ingenious notation as Feynman diagrams!
 

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