Integrate x/(4-x^4)^0.5: Solution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function x/((4-x^4)^0.5). Participants explore various substitution methods and approaches to simplify the integral, focusing on the challenges posed by the presence of x in the numerator.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially attempts to solve the integral using the formula for the integral of 1/((1-x^2)^0.5) but finds it ineffective due to the x in the numerator.
  • Another participant suggests using the substitution u = x^2 to simplify the integral.
  • There is a discussion about transforming the integral into a form that resembles a known integral, with some participants noting that it looks familiar with slight modifications.
  • Concerns are raised about the professor's restrictions on using certain methods, prompting requests for alternative approaches.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the substitution u = x/2 and how to handle the x in the numerator, with suggestions to rewrite x in terms of u.
  • One participant mentions a "little trick" to simplify the integral further, indicating a potential method to proceed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and substitutions, but there is no consensus on a single approach to solve the integral. Multiple competing views and methods remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the integral and the challenges posed by the substitutions, indicating that certain assumptions or steps may be missing or unresolved.

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Question:Integrate x/((4-x^4)^0.5)

I tried to solve this using Integral1/((1-x^2)^0.5)=sin^-1(x)
But it didn't work out since there's x at the top.

And then I tried using u=4-x^4 ,It didn't work out neither
 
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Use the subtitution $$u = x^2$$
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Use the subtitution $$u = x^2$$

Then the integral becomes 1/(2(4-u^2)^0.5) du?How to simplify this?
 
renyikouniao said:
Then the integral becomes 1/(2(4-u^2)^0.5) du?How to simplify this?

Doesn't that look familiar ? , just a little modification .
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Doesn't that look familiar ? , just a little modification .

If you mean integral (1/((a^2-x^2)^0.5)=sin^-1(x/a)+c?Our professor doesn't want us ues this.Do you have any other method?
 
renyikouniao said:
I tried to solve this using Integral1/((1-x^2)^0.5)=sin^-1(x)

You can use this , right ? , but how ?
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
You can use this , right ? , but how ?

No,we can't.That's the problem
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
You can use this , right ? , but how ?

Do you have any suggestions on how to solve this?:confused:
 
renyikouniao said:
Do you have any suggestions on how to solve this?:confused:

$$\frac{1}{\sqrt{4-x^2}} = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{1-\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)^2}}$$

Now you can use the substitution $$u = \frac{x}{2}$$
 
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ZaidAlyafey said:
$$\frac{1}{\sqrt{4-x^2}} = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{1-\left(\frac{x}{2}\right)^2}}$$

Now you can use the substitution $$u = \frac{x}{2}$$

Thank you;),but what about the x on the top,should I rewrite x=2u?But if I do so,I can't use integral 1/((1-x^2)^0.5) right?

Integrate x/((4-x^4)^0.5)
 
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renyikouniao said:
Then the integral becomes 1/(2(4-u^2)^0.5) du?How to simplify this?

You already arrive to this part . you can do the little trick I provided .

otherwise

$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{4-x^4}} = \frac{x}{2 \sqrt{1-\left( \frac{x^2}{2} \right)^2}}$$

you can know make the subtitution $$u = \frac{x^2}{2}$$
 
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ZaidAlyafey said:
You already arrive to this part . you can do the little trick I provided .

otherwise

$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{4-x^4}} = \frac{x}{2 \sqrt{1-\left( \frac{x^2}{2} \right)^2}}$$

you can know make the subtitution $$u = \frac{x^2}{2}$$

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