Integrating Complex Functions: Trapezoidal Rule Explained

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The discussion revolves around the integration of complex functions, specifically the integrals ∫1/(1+x²) and ∫√(1+x³). Participants explore the limitations of their current knowledge in integration techniques and the application of the trapezoidal rule for numerical evaluation.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about why certain integrals cannot be solved with basic techniques, prompting a discussion on integration methods.
  • Another participant inquires about the integration techniques they have studied, suggesting that knowledge of integration by parts and trigonometric substitutions might be necessary.
  • A participant clarifies that the textbook assumes a lack of knowledge of certain integration techniques required for the integrals in question.
  • There are multiple comments emphasizing the importance of proper mathematical notation, including the use of parentheses and the differential 'dx' in integrals.
  • Some participants mention that the trapezoidal rule is a numerical method and does not find antiderivatives directly.
  • One participant notes that some functions, while appearing simple, do not have simple antiderivatives and may involve more advanced concepts like elliptic functions.
  • Links to external resources for further exploration of integrals are provided by participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of proper notation and the limitations of their current integration knowledge. However, there is no consensus on the best techniques to use for the integrals discussed, and multiple views on the complexity of the functions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration techniques available to them and the implications of omitting 'dx' in integrals. There is also mention of advanced topics like elliptic functions, which may not be covered in standard calculus courses.

Who May Find This Useful

Students learning calculus, particularly those struggling with integration techniques and notation, as well as those interested in numerical methods for evaluating integrals.

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"2 examples which you cannot integrate with your knowledge so far are ∫1/1+x2 and ∫√1+x3. You need to use the trapezoidal rule for this" This was written in my textbook and I really can't understand what it means! I mean why can't we integrate it in the normal basic way?
 
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Well, which integration techniques have you studied? Have you studied integration by parts? Trigonometric substitutions?
 
No, i haven't studied integration by parts or trigonometry substitutions yet. I have studied integration of exponentials and logarithms and simple functions.
 
Your text is assuming that you haven't studied the integration techniques which you would need to find the antiderivatives of those two particular functions.
 
2345qwert said:
"2 examples which you cannot integrate with your knowledge so far are ∫1/1+x2 and ∫√1+x3.
You really need to get up to speed on how to write mathematical expressions.
Exponents
I'm assuming that x2 and x3 mean x2 and x3, respectively. You can write exponents like these if you click the Go Advanced button just below the text entry pane. This opens the advanced menu across the top, which has an X2 button.

If this seems too complicated, you can use ^ to indicate a power such as x^2.

Parentheses
1/1 + x2 means (1/1) + x2, which is the same as 1 + x2. Since this is probably not what you meant, you need to add parentheses around the entire denominator, like this: 1/(1 + x2).

√1 + x3 means 1 + x3. To indicate that the square root includes the variable, use parentheses - √(1 + x3/SUP]).

Integrals
Neither of your integrals includes the differential, dx. At your stage of learning it might seem like a useless appendage, but trust me, it's there for a reason. If you get in the habit of omitting it, that practice will bite you in the butt later on.
 
SteamKing said:
Your text is assuming that you haven't studied the integration techniques which you would need to find the antiderivatives of those two particular functions.

What are the integration techniques that I could use to find the antiderivatives of these functions, apart from the trapezoidal rule??
 
Mark44 said:
You really need to get up to speed on how to write mathematical expressions.
Exponents
I'm assuming that x2 and x3 mean x2 and x3, respectively. You can write exponents like these if you click the Go Advanced button just below the text entry pane. This opens the advanced menu across the top, which has an X2 button.

If this seems too complicated, you can use ^ to indicate a power such as x^2.

Parentheses
1/1 + x2 means (1/1) + x2, which is the same as 1 + x2. Since this is probably not what you meant, you need to add parentheses around the entire denominator, like this: 1/(1 + x2).

√1 + x3 means 1 + x3. To indicate that the square root includes the variable, use parentheses - √(1 + x3/SUP]).

Integrals
Neither of your integrals includes the differential, dx. At your stage of learning it might seem like a useless appendage, but trust me, it's there for a reason. If you get in the habit of omitting it, that practice will bite you in the butt later on.


Thanks a lot for all your advice! But why is dx really important and what's the reason that it's there?
 
2345qwert said:
What are the integration techniques that I could use to find the antiderivatives of these functions, apart from the trapezoidal rule??

The trapezoidal rule does not explicitly find the antiderivative of a given function; it provides a numerical means of evaluating a given definite integral.
 
2345qwert said:
Thanks a lot for all your advice! But why is dx really important and what's the reason that it's there?

It is important to include the 'dx' in an integral expression to indicate w.r.t. which variable the integration takes place.

In the expressions you have been exposed to so far, it's probably pretty obvious which is the integration variable. However, in a complicated integral expression with many different variables and other terms, it may not be obvious which variable you are integrating with respect to. It is good practice and a good habit to learn to express the dx or d(whatever) now early in your calculus instruction so that it becomes automatic later on.
 
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2345qwert said:
What are the integration techniques that I could use to find the antiderivatives of these functions, apart from the trapezoidal rule??

Wait till you learn how to differentiate log, trig, and exponential functions.

But there are many functions that look "simple" but do not have "simple" antiderivatives. That is the case for your example of ##\int \sqrt{1+x^3}\, dx##. Integrals like that can be expressed in terms of "elliptic functions", but you won't learn about them in the standard "calculus sequence" of courses.

(If you really want to know the answer, go to http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=sqrt[1+x^3]&random=false)
 
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SteamKing said:
It is important to include the 'dx' in an integral expression to indicate w.r.t. which variable the integration takes place.

In the expressions you have been exposed to so far, it's probably pretty obvious which is the integration variable. However, in a complicated integral expression with many different variables and other terms, it may not be obvious which variable you are integrating with respect to. It is good practice and a good habit to learn to express the dx or d(whatever) now early in your calculus instruction so that it becomes automatic later on.

Okay! Thanks.
 
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AlephZero said:
Wait till you learn how to differentiate log, trig, and exponential functions.

But there are many functions that look "simple" but do not have "simple" antiderivatives. That is the case for your example of ##\int \sqrt{1+x^3}\, dx##. Integrals like that can be expressed in terms of "elliptic functions", but you won't learn about them in the standard "calculus sequence" of courses.

(If you really want to know the answer, go to http://integrals.wolfram.com/index.jsp?expr=sqrt[1+x^3]&random=false)

Wow! That is so complicated. But thanks for your help.
 

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