Integrating Factors for Solving Differential Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a specific first-order differential equation using integrating factors. Participants explore various methods and approaches to determine the integrating factor necessary for solving the equation, including checking for exactness and utilizing external tools for assistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and seeks thoughts on how to begin solving it.
  • Another participant mentions a reference to a textbook on differential equations, suggesting it is categorized under additional topics.
  • Some participants express difficulty in finding an integrating factor using familiar methods and mention using Wolfram|Alpha for assistance.
  • A proposed integrating factor of the form $\mu=e^{r\cdot n+s\cdot m}$ is introduced, with constants $r$ and $s$ to be determined.
  • Further rearrangements of the original equation are provided, leading to observations about potential integrating factors.
  • A specific integrating factor $\mu=e^{m+n}$ is suggested, with detailed steps on how it leads to an implicit solution.
  • Another participant references a book by Dr. Agarwal that provides clues and generic integrating factors for similar problems, noting the author's approach to proving the existence of such factors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of familiarity with the methods for finding integrating factors, and while some propose specific forms, there is no consensus on the best approach or solution to the differential equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective integrating factor.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the differential equation and the potential need for integrating factors that are not of the usual form. There are references to specific methods and proofs that may not be fully detailed, leaving some assumptions and steps unresolved.

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solve n(9m²+18m-mn²-n²)dm + m(9m+9mn-3n²-n³)dn = 0
 
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Any thoughts on how to begin?
 
I have no any ideas. But in reference with Differential Equation 7th edition by rainville and bedient. It's under on ADDITIONAL TOPIC IN FIRST ORDER DIFF. EQUATION
 
kayella19 said:
I have no any ideas. But in reference with Differential Equation 7th edition by rainville and bedient. It's under on ADDITIONAL TOPIC IN FIRST ORDER DIFF. EQUATION

I haven't solved this ODE, but I think I would first check for exactness. Is this an exact ODE?
 
kayella19 said:
solve n(9m²+18m-mn²-n²)dm + m(9m+9mn-3n²-n³)dn = 0

MarkFL said:
I haven't solved this ODE, but I think I would first check for exactness. Is this an exact ODE?

This is an extremely annoying kind of differential equation, where you need an integrating factor not of the usual form. I have to admit that I cheated by using Wolfram|Alpha, which can find the solution. Here's a form of integrating factor that works:

$$\mu=e^{r\cdot n+s\cdot m},$$

with $r$ and $s$ constants to be determined.
 
Ackbach said:
This is an extremely annoying kind of differential equation, where you need an integrating factor not of the usual form. I have to admit that I cheated by using Wolfram|Alpha, which can find the solution. Here's a form of integrating factor that works:

$$\mu=e^{r\cdot n+s\cdot m},$$

with $r$ and $s$ constants to be determined.

Yes, I cannot find an integrating factor using the methods with which I am familiar. I also initially used W|A to find the solution, and at least you were able to determine the form of an integrating factor that works. (Yes)
 
Note: This was done by taking the solution given by W|A and essentially "working backwards."

We are given to solve:

$$n\left(9m^2+18m-n^2-mn^2\right)dm+m\left(9m+9mn-3n^2-n^3\right)dn=0$$

Arrange as:

$$\left(n(9m-n^2)+9mn+mn(9m-n^2)\right)dm+\left(m(9m-n^2)-2mn^2+mn(9m-n^2)\right)dn=0$$

Further arrange as:

$$dm\cdot n(9m-n^2)dm+m(9m-n^2)dn+mn\left(9dm-2ndn\right)+mn(9m-n^2)\left(dm+dn\right)=0$$

Looking at the last factor in the last rem on the LHS, we observe that an integrating factor is $\mu=e^{m+n}$:

$$dm\cdot n(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}+m\cdot dn\cdot(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}+mn\left(9\,dm-2n\,dn\right)e^{m+n}+mn(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}\left(dm+dn\right)=0$$

Or:

$$n(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}+m\d{n}{m}\cdot(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}+mn\left(9-2n\d{n}{m}\right)e^{m+n}+mn(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}\left(1+\d{n}{m}\right)=0$$

This can be written as:

$$\frac{d}{dm}\left(mn(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}\right)=0$$

Integrate w.r.t $m$:

$$\int \frac{d}{dm}\left(mn(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}\right)\,dm=0\int \,dm$$

And so the solution is given implicitly by:

$$mn(9m-n^2)e^{m+n}=c_1$$
 
Nice write up MarkFL. I konw Dr.Agarwal's book here gives some clues on the integrating factor for this particular problem. An Introduction to Ordinary Differential Equations | Ravi P. Agarwal | Springer He actually offers several generic integrating factors for different ODE's and this is one of the forms he provides with a very arbitrary proof.

I have worked with him on a couple research projects, and he offers a very good proof showing the first step solving by induction. He doesn't clearly state the n+1 case, but it does in fact admit an integrating factor of the form given above confirming the above calculations.
 

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