Interactions between e-m radiation and matter.

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The discussion revolves around the interactions between electromagnetic (e-m) radiation and matter, focusing on phenomena such as transmission, reflection, scattering, and absorption. Participants explore these concepts at a microscopic level, particularly in relation to materials like glass and their optical properties across different wavelengths.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the microscopic interactions of light with matter, specifically how different wavelengths affect electron excitation in materials like glass.
  • Another participant clarifies that in solids, interactions involve the solid as a whole rather than individual atoms, leading to band structures.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between polarization and transmission, noting that different types of polarization can influence material interactions.
  • Reflection is described as a bulk property of materials, challenging the notion that it can be simply explained through individual atomic interactions.
  • Absorption of radiation is discussed in terms of energy transformation into internal energy, with references to heat and atomic motion, as well as the possibility of photochemical reactions.
  • A participant suggests examining the blue sky phenomenon as an example of light scattering and polarization, linking it to molecular interactions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of considering the crystal lattice in solids for understanding optical properties, contrasting this with the behavior of low-pressure gases.
  • One participant mentions that a visible photon can pass through a truly transparent material only if there is no dispersion, referencing the Kramers Kronig relations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the interactions of e-m radiation with matter, with some agreement on the complexity of these interactions in solids versus gases. However, multiple competing views remain regarding the specifics of absorption, reflection, and the role of polarization.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for a deeper understanding of quantum mechanics to fully grasp the interactions discussed, as well as the dependence on material properties and conditions such as dispersion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to undergraduate physics students, educators in the field of optics, and anyone exploring the fundamental principles of light-matter interactions.

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Hi,
I'm an undergraduate physics student and I'd like to know more about interactions of light with matter.

Since I haven't studied Quantum Physics yet, I'd like to know what happen on a microscopic scale, when e-m radiation passes through a material (transmission), when it's reflected/scattered and when it's absorbed.

For example, glass is in general transparent to visible wavelengths, but it's opaque to ultraviolet or infrared. Does that mean that visible wavelengths, unlike ultraviolet and infrared, are not in the specific range to excite electrons and bring them to another orbital?
Hope this picture helps:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4940/unexcited.jpg
This is just what I thought can happen.
Furthermore, is there any relation between polarization and transmission?

About reflection, I supposed e-m is absorbed by atoms in the material and then are re-emitted at the same angle of incidence. Then why not all materials reflect radiation with the same angle of incidence (scattering)?

About absorption, why a material should absorb radiation and transform it in internal energy instead of reflecting it?


I'm sorry for the poor language, but I've done the best I could do, since English is my second language.
I thank so much anyone that try to clarify what's going on when radiation encounters matter. :smile:
 
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I must say that in solids such as glass, it is not individual atoms which participate in the photon interactions, but rather the solid as a whole. The individual levels of the atoms will "smear" when they are put close together and form a band.
 
For example, glass is in general transparent to visible wavelengths, but it's opaque to ultraviolet or infrared. Does that mean that visible wavelengths, unlike ultraviolet and infrared, are not in the specific range to excite electrons and bring them to another orbital?

Yes. But electronic excitations only account for the part of the spectrum.

Furthermore, is there any relation between polarization and transmission?

There are many many kinds of 'polarization', so it depends. If you mean the circular polarization of the incident light, then yes, that can matter depending on the structure of the material, a fact which is exploited in a kind of spectroscopy called circular dichroism.

About reflection, I supposed e-m is absorbed by atoms in the material and then are re-emitted at the same angle of incidence.

Reflection is purely a bulk property of materials and can't really be explained in simple terms of individual atoms.

About absorption, why a material should absorb radiation and transform it in internal energy instead of reflecting it?

I'll just assume you mean 're-emitting it' rather than reflecting it, as reflection is a more specific process.

Where does that absorbed energy go? Heat. What's heat? Atomic/molecular motion/vibrations. (and the equivalent radiation, usually in the IR range). That energy can be transmitted through simple collisions ('non-radiatively')

So that's essentially your answer right there: If the absorption of light corresponds to a change in motion, either directly (absorbing heat radiation) or indirectly (e.g. changing the electronic state such that the vibrational state changes - 'vibronic coupling' being an example) then the re-emitted photon (if any) will have less energy.

Actually there's a third option, which is that the light is absorbed in a photochemical reaction (which is essentially another, but stable, electronic state). But that's a lot less common.
 
It would be useful to examine why sky is blue, because the phenomenon is based on excitation and re-emission by individual molecules, with nearly complete polarization at 90 degrees, and with very little absorption of the incident sunlight. Here is a very brief discussion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
 
alxm said:
I'll just assume you mean 're-emitting it' rather than reflecting it, as reflection is a more specific process.

That's what I meant, sorry for that!

However, summing up, I've understood that to understand reactions between radiation and solid matter is very important to consider the "crystal lattice" formed by atoms in a solid and not atoms singularly, while in low pressure gases they can be considered singularly.

That's why is complicated to explain perfect reflection and why each material has its own optical properties.
For example diamond and graphite are both made of carbon atoms, but have different structure and indeed they have completely different properties.

Anyway can anybody suggest me in general what happens when visible photon passes through a transparent material (solid or liquid)? What are the conditions that permit the photon not to be absorbed? Or I need some more "quantum knowledge" to understand? :)

Thanks to all for the replies.
 
A visible photon can pass through a "truly transparent material" ONLY IF there is NO dispersion. Review the Kramers Kronig relations (alias the dispersion relations) for proof.
 

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