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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of an adult male if his density were equivalent to the mean density of the universe. Participants explore different definitions of the universe and the implications of including various components like dark matter and ordinary matter in their calculations.

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  • One participant estimates their volume at a density of the universe to be around 8.3 x 10^27 cubic meters, using a mass density that includes dark matter.
  • Another participant calculates the volume based on a density of about 10^-28 kg/m^3, leading to a volume of approximately 8 x 10^29 m^3 and a radius of around 10 million kilometers.
  • A later reply corrects earlier calculations, stating that the critical density of the universe is about 10^-26 kg/m^3, leading to a volume of about 3 x 10^28 m^3, and discusses the breakdown of matter density into ordinary and dark matter components.
  • Participants note discrepancies in their calculations, with one emphasizing the importance of considering the ordinary matter density, which results in a larger volume estimate.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate density to use for calculations, with some focusing on total density including dark matter, while others emphasize ordinary matter density. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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Participants highlight the complexity of defining the universe and the variations in density estimates based on different assumptions, including the presence of dark matter and the distribution of ordinary matter.

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I'm a normal adult male (abt 6ft tall, 180 pounds), if my density was that of the mean density of the universe, what would be my volume?
 
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It depends a little bit on what definition of universe (which is a whole more complicated question) but assuming the observable universe that is a sphere about 90Bn lyr in diameter and so has a volume of around 3 x 10 ^80 m^3.
It contains around 100Bn galaxies, each with a few 100Bn stars so 10^22 stars.
A star has a mass of around 2x10^30kg so the universe weighs about 10^52kg
So the density is about 10^(80-52) = 10^-28 kg/m^3 (assuming just stars ignoring dark matter etc)

If you weigh 80kg then at that density you would fill a volume of around 8x10^29m^3 or a radius around 10^10m = 10 million km. By comparison the Earth is only 150million km from the sun

edit thanks sylas - I hit sqrt instead of cube root!
 
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ajm133 said:
I'm a normal adult male (abt 6ft tall, 180 pounds), if my density was that of the mean density of the universe, what would be my volume?

Roughly 8.3*1027 cubic meters. (I'm using the mass density, including dark matter, which is about 27% of critical density.)

That's about the same as a sphere with a radius of 8 million kilometers.

Congratulations -- Sylas
 
Argh. We both made errors in the above. mgb_phys calculated the radius incorrectly, and I stuffed up some calculations. Let me try my method again, and show the working.

Critical density of the universe is about 10-29 g/cm3, or in SI units, 10-26 kg/m3.

In the current consensus model of cosmology, this is 27% matter and 73% dark energy. Most of the matter is "dark matter"; ordinary matter makes up about 4.5% of the total.

So the ordinary matter density is about 4.5*10-28 kg/m3. That's about four times what mgb_phys estimates. There's a lot of matter in clouds of dust and hydrogen, which partially accounts for this, perhaps, and the masses of stars, and sizes of galaxies vary a lot.

Including dark matter, the total matter density is about 2.7*10-27 kg/m3.

Thus 81 kg would fill out about 3 * 1028 m3. If you ignore the dark matter, this becomes more like 1.8 * 1029 m3.

The volume of a sphere is 4πR3/3, so the radius of the sphere with volume 3 * 1028 m3 is about 2 million kilometers. That is how much volume you would take at the matter density of the universe.

Using just the ordinary matter density of the universe (the same stuff you are made of) your volume blows out to that of a sphere with radius about 3.5 million kilometers.

By comparison, the radius of the Earth is about 6400 kilometers, and the radius of the Sun is about 700,000 kilometers.

Cheers -- sylas
 

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