Interior Product: Find from Exterior Product

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the interior product in relation to the exterior product within vector spaces. Participants explore definitions, relationships, and expressions involving these products, with a focus on their mathematical properties and implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the definition of the interior product as the inverse of the exterior product and seek clarification on its meaning.
  • There is a request for a general expression for the interior product of two vectors defined on a vector space, with references to the exterior product and the Hodge star.
  • One participant points out that the interior product discussed in a provided link is between a multilinear map and a vector, not between two vectors.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on what is meant by the "inverse" of the exterior product and what properties such an entity should have.
  • Some participants propose that the inverse image of an element of degree two of the canonical map from the exterior product could be represented by specific pairs of vectors.
  • There is a discussion about relating the exterior product to the cross product and the search for inverses of these mappings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between the interior and exterior products, with no consensus reached on the existence or properties of an "inverse" for the exterior product.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of products in vector spaces, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the mathematical properties and implications of these products.

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If the interior product is defined as the inverse of the exterior product, then how would I find the interior product of a space given its exterior product?
 
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joebohr said:
If the interior product is defined as the inverse of the exterior product, then how would I find the interior product of a space given its exterior product?

Sorry, seems a little vague: is this a product of vectors, or the exterior product on a vector
space, i.e., the exterior algebra? Besies, if I understood well, the inner-product takes a pair
of vectors and outputs a number, but the exterior product takes two vectors and gives you another vector. Would you clarify?
 
I am looking for the general expression for the interior product (not the inner product) of two vectors (x and y) defined on a vector space M. I think this is given in terms of the exterior product and the hodge star, but I'm not sure about the exact expression.
 
Yes, that's the interior product I was referring to, but wikipedia doesn't give enough info about actually finding an expression for the interior product of two vectors on a vector space and I thought someone here might be able to help.
 
But the interior product discussed in the link I provided above is between a multilinear map and a vector, not between 2 vectors.
 


Ok, if there is no interior product for vectors, than what is the inverse of the exterior product? Also, what does the interior product you mentioned represent if it is not this inverse?
 
Firsty, what do you mean by exterior product of vectors? Usually, given a vector space, the exterior product is a product defined on the exterior algebra of V that assigns to an element of degree p and an element of degree q one of degree p+q. So assuming this is also what you mean by exterior product, then what do you mean by its "inverse"? What properties should such an entity have?

Ah, *ding!*, perhaps you mean so ask somethign like: "given a vector space V, there is the exterior product V x V --> V [itex]\wedge[/itex] V. Given v in V, what is v-1?"

Usually, by v-1 we mean an element such that vv-1=1 in some sense or another. Here, I see no obvious candidate for what the equation vv-1=1 could mean.
 
quasar987 said:
Ah, *ding!*, perhaps you mean so ask somethign like: "given a vector space V, there is the exterior product V x V --> V [itex]\wedge[/itex] V. Given v in V, what is v-1?"

Exactly, that's what I'm asking. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
 
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Well, if you are looking for the inverse image of an element of degree two of the canonical map V x V --> V ∧ V, say x∧y, it's just going to be (x,y), (-x,-y), (-y,x) and (y,-x), isn't it? Sorry, this question is still far too vague, can you rephrase it?
 
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Let the exterior product of vectors X and Y be related to the cross product by
X[itex]\times[/itex]Y=[itex]\ast[/itex](X[itex]\wedge[/itex]Y). Then what is the inverse of the mapping [itex]\wedge[/itex]:X[itex]\wedge[/itex]Y[itex]\rightarrow[/itex]C where C is a vector and X, Y, and C belong to the vector space M, say in Euclidean space? Also, using this same logic, what is the inverse of the cross product?
Rephrased, the question is to find the mappings:

[itex]\wedge[/itex][itex]^{-1}[/itex]:X[itex]\wedge[/itex][itex]^{-1}[/itex](X[itex]\wedge[/itex]Y)[itex]\rightarrow[/itex]X
and
[itex]\times[/itex][itex]^{-1}[/itex]:X[itex]\times[/itex][itex]^{-1}[/itex](X[itex]\times[/itex]Y)[itex]\rightarrow[/itex]X

quasar987 said:
Usually, by v-1 we mean an element such that vv-1=1 in some sense or another. Here, I see no obvious candidate for what the equation vv-1=1 could mean.

Since we are talking about binary operators for vectors, vv-1 would equal the identity vector for the space M.
 
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