Internet access via transmission lines?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility and mechanics of providing internet access through power lines, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects of this technology. Participants examine the implications of using power lines for data transmission, including potential challenges such as signal degradation and noise interference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the viability of using power lines for internet access, citing concerns about transformers acting as low pass filters and the potential for noise due to devices being turned on and off frequently.
  • Another participant explains that information can be superimposed onto the 50/60Hz mains supply, likening it to amplitude modulation in radio waves, but acknowledges that the necessary electronics would be complex.
  • A participant shares an anecdote about a friend using power line modulation for music transmission, indicating practical applications of the technology.
  • Discussion includes the carrier current method for transmitting digital information over power lines, noting that while transformers attenuate signals, bypasses can be installed to allow signal passage.
  • Concerns are raised about broadband over power lines (BPL), particularly regarding signal loss and the need for amplifiers, as well as potential interference with radio communications and emergency services.
  • One participant expresses a personal opinion that BPL is a flawed idea, suggesting that financial interests may be influencing its promotion despite evidence of its inefficacy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the practicality and effectiveness of using power lines for internet access, with some acknowledging the technology's potential while others raise significant concerns about its implementation and reliability. No consensus is reached on the overall viability of the approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the technology's functionality, including the effects of transformers on signal quality and the complexity of the required electronics. There are also unresolved questions about the extent of noise interference and the implications for existing radio communications.

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How can people get internet access through their power lines? Wouldn't all the transformers act as low pass filters and destroy your carrier signal? Also, with things being turned on and off constently, wouldn't it be too noisy?
 
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As far as I know this is only done in the power lines in your house. You can superpose you information (internet or what every) onto the 50/60Hz sin wave of mains supply. This can then be taken out again at the other end. The concept is the same as amplitude modulated radio waves, where the information is superposed onto a higher frequency carrier. I would imagine the electronics to do this would be a lot more complex though.
 
A friend of mine living in Geneva Switzerland subscribed to a music station that was modulated on the power lines I think at about 100 kHz. His antenna was the power cord. At one time I was able to turn lights on and off in my neighbor's house 300 meters away with a special plug-in switch controller.
 
I think what madmike and Bob S are referring to is the carrier current method. It can be used for broadcasting or sending digital information over power lines. The same principle is used for the X10 home automation system. And yes, transformers will greatly attenuate these signals. However, a bypass can be installed on the transformer to allow the signals to pass.

The system used for internet service is called broadband over power lines (BPL). I don't think noise interfering with the broadband signal is the major cause for concern with this type of system. It's usually the other way around. These systems are sending broadband HF signals over power lines which are not designed to be used in this way. Losses are so great that amplifiers must be installed every 100 to 1000 meters. As a result, there can be leakage of RF signals which can cause interference to radio receivers. This can affect emergency mobile communications and the amateur radio service, or any nearby radio receiver. It's my personal opinion that BPL is a very bad idea. I think there's a lot of money involved and that's what's driving the whole thing. Even the FCC caved in and tried to push this along while trying to hide evidence of how poorly the system works.
 

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