Undergrad Intuition for why d<p>/dt = -dV(<x>)/dx

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The discussion centers on the equation ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle##, which is a representation of the Ehrenfest theorem in classical physics. Participants clarify that the correct formulation relates the rate of change of momentum to the negative gradient of potential energy, defined as ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the distinction between classical and quantum mechanics in this context.

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Is there any good physical or graphical intuition for why ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\frac{\partial V(\langle x \rangle)}{\partial x}##? Classically this is apparently true.

Thanks.
 
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EquationOfMotion said:
Is there any good physical or graphical intuition for why ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\frac{\partial V(\langle x \rangle)}{\partial x}##? Classically this is apparently true.

Thanks.

In classical physics potential is defined so that ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##.

Your equation is, however, not correct. It should be:

##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle##
 
PeroK said:
In classical physics potential is defined so that ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##.

Your equation is, however, not correct. It should be:

##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle##

I think ##\frac{d \langle p \rangle}{dt} = -\langle \frac{\partial V(x)}{\partial x} \rangle## is the Ehrenfest theorem. The Wikipedia page however notes that were quantum expectation values to be consistent with Newtonian mechanics, we'd have ##F = -\frac{\partial V}{\partial x}##. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
 

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