Invariance of Schrödinger's equation

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The discussion revolves around the invariance of Schrödinger's equation, particularly in the context of one-dimensional quantum systems and the implications of parity (space inversion) on the solutions of the equation. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and the reasoning behind certain assumptions in quantum mechanics, referencing group theory and specific texts.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the argumentation in Hamermesh's text about the Schrödinger equation and the implications of parity on its solutions.
  • Another participant suggests avoiding the substitution x → -x due to potential confusion, recommending instead to use y = -x for clarity in the mathematical expressions.
  • A third participant references Landau and Lifgarbagez to provide additional context on why states in one-dimensional systems are not degenerate, indicating a resource for further understanding.

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The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express varying levels of understanding and propose different approaches to the problem. There is no clear agreement on the interpretation of the mathematical arguments presented.

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Participants note the potential confusion arising from variable substitutions and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions. The discussion also highlights the reliance on specific texts for deeper insights into the topic.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying the implications of symmetry and invariance in physical equations.

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I thought i had a basic to intermediate understanding of quantum physics and group theory, but when reading hamermesh's "group theory and it's application to physical problems" there's something in the introduction i don't understand.

first of all, i know the parity (or space inversion) operator and it's eigenfunctions. so from this point of view the example in the introduction is quit easy but i don't get hamermesh's argumentation.

he start's with the Schrödinger equation in one dimension:
"u''+[\lambda - V(x)]u = 0
where \lambda is the eigenvalue of u.
one dimension => necessarily not degenerate." why?

"We assume that the potential is an even function of x. (V(x)=V(-x))"

"replacing x by -x, we see, that if u(x) is a solution, so is u(-x)."
why?

what does he mean? is this a variable substitution x \rightarrow -x
u''(-x)+[\lambda - V(-x)]u(-x) = 0 = u''(-x)+[\lambda - V(x)]u(-x) ?
is such a substitution allowed?

sorry if the answer to my question is obvious but i don't get it at the moment.

thanks and greetings.
 
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Greetings tommy01! :smile:

(have a lambda: λ :wink:)

Don't use x -> -x, it's too confusing.

Use x -> y, where y = -x.

Then d2u/dx2 = d2u/dy2,

so d2u/dx2 + (λ - V(x))u

= d2u/dy2 + (λ - V(-y))u :wink:
 
For understanding why the states ara not degenerate I suggest Volume III of L.D. Landau and Lifgarbagez chapter III search for "general properties of motion in one dimmension"
 
hi all.

thanks for your quick answer.
i'm going to consult landau and lifgarbagez.
 

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