Irradiance of sun in an image?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the irradiance of sunlight in an image formed by a lens, given the Sun's irradiance at sea level and the distances involved. The problem involves concepts from optics and irradiance calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the irradiance at the lens and the image, questioning how to determine the total power falling on the lens and subsequently on the image. There are attempts to calculate the diameter of the lens and its impact on power calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations regarding the power on the lens and the resulting irradiance at the image. However, there is uncertainty about the diameter of the lens and its implications for the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the assumptions made about the lens and the refractive index.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the diameter of the lens, which is critical for determining the total power falling on it. Participants are also considering the refractive index's role in the calculations, indicating that assumptions may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement



What will be the irradiance (power per unit area) in the image, if the Sun's irradiance at the sea level is I = 500W/m^2

Lens is 200mm f
Sun is 150x10^9 m away
Diameter of sun is 1.4x10^9 m


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I know that at the lens the irradiance will be the same i.e. 500W/m^2 but at the image the irradiance will be magnified. I'm not sure how to get there though.
I know an image of the sun will be .2m from the lens and the diameter of the image will be .00187m because M=di/do = .2m/150x10^9 = 1.333X10^-12 and 1.333x10^-12 multiplied by the diameter of the sun is .000187m.
 
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What's the total power falling on the lens? What's the total power in the image?
 
I'm not sure how to find the diameter of the lens which is what I need to find the total power falling on the lens
 
I think that the radius of the lens is equal to 2f which would make the radius .4m. Therefore, the area of the lens is .50265m^2. Multiply this by 500 and this tells you the power on the lens which is 251.327W. The area of the image is 1.099X10^-7m^2 which is from ((.000187m)^2(pi)). Therefore, 251.327W also falls on this same area and dividing 251.327W by the area of the image (1.099X10^-7m^2) will give you the power per m^2 which is 2.29X10^9 W/m^2

Is this correct?
 
carnivalcougar said:
I'm not sure how to find the diameter of the lens which is what I need to find the total power falling on the lens

Good point. Then I don't see how you can answer the question. carnivalcougar gives a way to find an upper bound, since the focal length sets a limit on the diameter of the lens. But it will depend on the refractive index.
 

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