Irrational polynomial equation

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The discussion revolves around identifying a polynomial equation satisfied by the expression \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}\). Participants explore various forms of polynomial equations, the nature of polynomials, and the implications of Galois Theory in constructing such equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for a polynomial equation that \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}\) satisfies.
  • Another suggests the polynomial \(x - \sqrt{2} - \sqrt{3}\) as a potential candidate.
  • It is noted that there is not a unique polynomial for \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}\), and participants are encouraged to clarify the desired terms and degree of the polynomial.
  • A participant emphasizes that a polynomial is a linear combination of monomials.
  • Some participants propose alternative equations, such as \(x - \pi\) and \(x^3 - 31\), questioning their validity.
  • One participant outlines a method to eliminate the roots, leading to a polynomial equation derived from squaring the expression.
  • Another participant refers to Galois Theory, suggesting that the conjugates of the two square roots can lead to a fourth-degree polynomial equation.
  • There is a suggestion that the original question may have been misinterpreted, possibly requiring a polynomial with integer coefficients.
  • Humor is introduced with a comment about \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}\) being a valid approximation of \(\pi\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the polynomial equation that \(\sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}\) satisfies, with no consensus on a specific form or requirement for the polynomial.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the polynomial's degree and coefficients, as well as the clarity of the original question posed by the first participant.

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what's the polynomial equation which sqrt2 + sqrt3 satisfies ?
 
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How about x-sqrt2-sqrt3?
 
There is not one unique polynomial that (sprt2 + sqrt3) satisfies. Perhaps you should elaborate a bit as to what terms, degree, etc. that you require in your polynomial.
 
And keep in mind that a polynomial is nothing more than a linear combination of monomials...
 
What about, [tex]x- \pi[/tex] ? or [tex]x^3 - 31[/tex] =] ?
 
ciel said:
what's the polynomial equation which sqrt2 + sqrt3 satisfies ?
If you want to get rid of the roots, then it'd be something like

[tex]x = \sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}[/tex]
[tex]x^{2} = 2+3+2\sqrt{6}[/tex]
[tex]x^{2}-5 = 2\sqrt{6}[/tex]
[tex](x^{2}-5)^{2} = 24[/tex]

Rearrange and clean up a bit.
 
yeah, i seems alright that way. well, i has to be polynomial, but i couldn't just go upto that part, so i was confused. thnx anyway :)
 
Gib Z said:
What about, [tex]x- \pi[/tex] ? or [tex]x^3 - 31[/tex] =] ?
:confused:
 
Hurkyl: And keep in mind that a polynomial is nothing more than a linear combination of monomials...

From the standpoint of Galois Theory, we can build that form from the conjugates of the two order two equations, which produces an order 4 equation:

The four products of the form: [tex]\prod (X-(\pm\sqrt2\pm\sqrt3)[/tex] = X^4-10X^2+1.
 
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It would have been nice if you had posted the actual question. I suspect it was NOT "Find a polynomial equation that [itex]\sqrt{2}+ \sqrt{3}[/itex] satisfies". I suspect rather that it was something like "Find a polynomial equation, with integer coefficients, that [itex]\sqrt{2}+ \sqrt{3}[/itex] satisfies".
 
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EES said:
:confused:

I'm just joking with you man, try it on yours calculator, [itex]\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{3}[/itex] is a valid approximation of pi to several digits. Similar thing for the other equation.
 

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