Is (0,\infty) a Complete Metric Space?

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The discussion centers on whether the interval (0, ∞) is a complete metric space, exploring concepts related to Cauchy sequences and their convergence properties in the context of the standard Euclidean metric. Participants examine the implications of completeness in relation to the real numbers and the behavior of sequences within the specified interval.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that (0, ∞) is not complete, citing the sequence x_n = 1/n as a Cauchy sequence that does not converge within this space since 0 is not included.
  • There is a discussion about the impossibility of constructing an unbounded Cauchy sequence that converges to infinity, with some participants suggesting that this follows from the completeness of the real numbers.
  • One participant presents a sequence x_n = Σ(k=1,n) 1/k, noting that while |x_n - x_{n+1}| approaches 0, |x_n - x_m| may diverge as |n - m| increases, raising questions about the definition of Cauchy sequences.
  • Another participant seeks a proof that a Cauchy sequence cannot diverge to infinity without invoking the completeness of the real numbers, prompting further exploration of the definitions involved.
  • A formal proof is proposed, suggesting that if a sequence is unbounded, it cannot be Cauchy, as it would contradict the definition of a Cauchy sequence.
  • A statement is made regarding the completeness of subspaces of complete metric spaces, indicating that a subspace is complete if and only if it is closed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness of (0, ∞) and the implications of Cauchy sequences. There is no consensus on the proof of whether a Cauchy sequence can diverge to infinity without appealing to the completeness of the reals, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Some arguments depend on the definitions of Cauchy sequences and completeness, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the implications of unbounded sequences. The discussion reflects various interpretations and applications of these concepts.

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I am correct in asserting that (0,\infty) is NOT complete, right? It seems the sequence x_n = 1/n is a Cauchy sequence that does not converge in this metric space (in the standard Euclidean metric), since 0 is not in the space.

Also, doesn't it follow from the completeness of \mathbb R that it's NOT possible to construct an unbounded Cauchy sequence (i.e., a sequence of real numbers that converges to \infty but whose terms get closer and closer together)? Is there a way to prove this without appealing to the fact that the reals are complete?
 
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Let xn=Σ(k=1,n) 1/k. |xn-xn+1|-> 0.
However |xn-xm| may -> ∞ as |n-m| -> ∞.

So you need to be precise as to what you are referring to. If it is to the usual idea of a Cauchy sequence (n and m independent) then it is not possible, since fixing n and letting m increase will lead to the second part of the example.
 
AxiomOfChoice said:
Also, doesn't it follow from the completeness of \mathbb R that it's NOT possible to construct an unbounded Cauchy sequence (i.e., a sequence of real numbers that converges to \infty but whose terms get closer and closer together)?
Of course it does. Since R is complete, Cauchy sequences and convergent sequences are the same thing. An unbounded sequence is not convergent, hence not Cauchy.
Is there a way to prove this without appealing to the fact that the reals are complete?
I'm not following you. You want to prove that completeness of R implies something, without using the completeness of R?
 
Landau said:
Of course it does. Since R is complete, Cauchy sequences and convergent sequences are the same thing. An unbounded sequence is not convergent, hence not Cauchy.
Ok, that's nice. Thanks.

Landau said:
I'm not following you. You want to prove that completeness of R implies something, without using the completeness of R?
Certainly not! I'm asking for a proof of the fact that if \{x_n\} is Cauchy, then \{x_n\} cannot trail off to infinity, without simply invoking the completeness of \mathbb R (in which case it's trivial, as you pointed out above)...is there a proof that proceeds directly from the definition of Cauchy?
 
AxiomOfChoice said:
I'm asking for a proof of the fact that if \{x_n\} is Cauchy, then \{x_n\} cannot trail off to infinity, without simply invoking the completeness of \mathbb R (in which case it's trivial, as you pointed out above)...is there a proof that proceeds directly from the definition of Cauchy?
Yes, see mathman's last remark. Here is a formal proof:

Suppose (x_n)_n is unbounded. Let's prove that it is not Cauchy: for all N there exists m,n>N such that |x_n-x_m|>1 (this is the negation of the definition of Cauchy sequence, with epsilon=1).

Let N be arbitrary. Take some m>N. Now take n large enough so that |x_n|>|x_m|+1 (possible by unboundedness). Then

|x_n-x_m|\geq||x_n|-|x_m||>1.
 
A subspace of a complete metric space is complete if and only if it is closed.
 

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