Is 28 Too Late for Scientific Breakthroughs?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the notion of age and its impact on scientific breakthroughs, particularly in physics and mathematics. Participants explore whether the age of 28 is too late for significant contributions to science, referencing historical figures and contemporary norms regarding PhD attainment.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that historical examples of great scientists achieving breakthroughs at a young age imply that 28 may no longer be considered a "golden period" for scientific work.
  • Others challenge the idea that age is a determining factor in scientific success, arguing that this belief may be a myth and that many factors contribute to scientific productivity.
  • References to quotes by G.H. Hardy highlight the perception that mathematics is a young man's game, but some participants question the validity of this perspective.
  • There are mentions of older scientists, such as Paul Erdős and Leonhard Euler, who continued to produce significant work well into their later years, suggesting that age may not be a barrier to scientific achievement.
  • Some comments address gender biases in the discussion, with participants noting the implications of suggesting that women may have less opportunity to contribute to mathematics and science due to societal roles.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the pressure to achieve a PhD by a certain age is beneficial or detrimental to scientific progress.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether age significantly impacts scientific breakthroughs. Multiple competing views remain regarding the relationship between age, gender, and scientific productivity.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments depend on historical context and anecdotal evidence, and there is a lack of empirical data to support claims about age and scientific success. The discussion also touches on societal expectations and responsibilities that may influence a scientist's ability to produce work at different life stages.

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people said that most great ideas and developments in sciences (especially physics and mathematics) are made by young men.

For example, Einstein, Heisenberg, Newton, Ramanujan, and so on.

Nowadays, we see that most peiople get their phD at nearly 28. Do you think 28 is stilla Golden Period?

For the scientists and mathematicians I list above, their "golden period" are around 21~25.

Do you agree that, 28 is no longer the best period to do science?
 
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How do we know this isn't simply a manfestation of the time? No, I don't buy into this. In fact, I think most scientist would rip apart such a circumstantial claim given most any other subject.

Edit: Btw, I realize that this is a commonly held belief, but I think is a bit of scientific myth. :biggrin:
 
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"Mathematics is a young man's game" -- G H Hardy
 
"Young men should prove theorems, old men should write books." - GH Hardy

A vacuous piece of evidence- all Fields Medallists have been under the age of 40. :wink:

Ramanujan isn't a very fair example though, he didn't have much of a chance at old age.
 
erdos was still pounding out papers when he died @ 83 (?) but he didn't have family or any admin responsibilities, as many grad students, post-docs & junior faculty are likely to not have. later on as a scientist/etc gets older & moves up the ranks i would think they would have more of that stuff to deal with. it may be that once someone gets their name out their there isn't as much drive as there used to be as well.
 
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Euler was sure pounding out until his 70s.
 
Young men indeed. Certainly not women, god no, a woman doing mathematics? When would she have time to do cooking?

It's chauvinism.

 
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Oh wait, this whole thread is about making insults to old people. Eh.
 
Rach3 said:
Young men indeed. Certainly not women, god no, a woman doing mathematics? When would she have time to do cooking?

It's chauvinism.

oh, I apologize for this!
 
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maybe this thread should be changed to "Science, a game for Young people", unless you want to insinuate women are less capable than men when it comes to science.

It does appear that most scientists bang out their best work when they're young, but that could be down to a ton of factors that aren't because they're 'old' (e.g. family responsibilities)
 
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Mk said:
Euler was sure pounding out until his 70s.

i'm pretty sure he somehow had ~20 kids too.
 
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so, shall we speed up to get a phD before we reach 26?

Or just "step-by-step"?
 

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