Is a hydrate affected by a coeffiecient?

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The discussion centers around balancing a chemical reaction involving a hydrate, specifically barium hydroxide octahydrate, and ammonium thiocyanate. Participants explore whether coefficients in a balanced equation affect the number of water molecules associated with the hydrate.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether a coefficient affects the hydrate in the reaction.
  • Another participant points out that all coefficients in the initial answer are divisible by 2, suggesting a potential simplification.
  • A later reply clarifies that the participant meant "0" as in no coefficient, indicating confusion about notation.
  • One participant emphasizes that the hydrate maintains a fixed ratio of barium to water, stating that coefficients in front of the barium affect the number of water molecules as well.
  • There is a discussion about how to account for the bound water in the reactants versus the unbounded water in the products.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the effect of coefficients on hydrates, with differing views on how to balance the equation and interpret the role of water in the reaction.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the treatment of water in the context of coefficients and the balancing of the reaction, as well as potential confusion over notation and terminology.

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Homework Statement



Ba(OH)2 · 8 H2O(s) + NH4SCN(s) → Ba(SCN)2(s) + H2O(l) + NH3(g)

Homework Equations



i have to balance this reaction

The Attempt at a Solution



2Ba(OH)2 * 8H2O(s) + 4NH4SCN(s) --> 2Ba(SCN)2(s) +12H2O(l) + 4NH3(g)this isn't the right answer because the webassign keeps marking it wrong. i think it boils down to whether a coefficient affects a hydrate or not but idk. thanks in advance for any tips u can provide :)
 
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Notice that all the coefficients in your answer are divisible by 2.
 
reducing it to 0:2:6:2 isn't the answer
 
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Of course it's not. 2 divided by 2 does not equal 0.
 
Your given set of reactants and products shows bound water on the left side, but unbounded water on the products side. This will help you know how many of the waters to tell on the right side (products).

You seem to recognize that the Ba+2 needs two SCN-, so what should this mean for the count of NH4(SCN) on the left side?
 
DDT: i meant 0 as in no coefficient. 1:2:6:2 is not the answer, regardless of my imprecise notation

Thanks for the help, Symbollipoint.
 
torquemada said:

Homework Statement



Ba(OH)2 · 8 H2O(s) + NH4SCN(s) → Ba(SCN)2(s) + H2O(l) + NH3(g)


remember that Ba(OH)2 · 8 H2O(s) is Ba+2 + 2OH- + 8H2O

and 2 [Ba(OH)2 · 8 H2O(s)] is 2Ba+2 + 4OH- + 16H2O

There is always a 1:8 ratio of Ba to H2O in this hydrate. You don't separate them. You put a coefficient in front of the Barium and it affects the number of water molecules as well.
 

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