Is (a_{k+1}*a_{k+2}) mod a_{k} = 0 for integer k in a recurrent sequence?

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The discussion revolves around a recurrent sequence defined by a specific recurrence relation and whether the product of two consecutive terms in the sequence is divisible by a preceding term. Participants explore the conditions under which the expression \((a_{k+1}*a_{k+2}) \mod a_{k} = 0\) holds for integer \(k \geq 2\).

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  • One participant poses the initial question regarding the divisibility condition for the recurrent sequence defined by \(a_{n}=3a_{n-1}+5a_{n-2}\).
  • Another participant challenges the clarity of the original question, suggesting that the intended inquiry might be whether \(a_{n} | a_{n+1} * a_{n+2}\) for some integer \(n\).
  • A participant confirms the goal is to find a specific integer \(k\) where the modulo condition holds true.
  • Further analysis by another participant indicates that if certain terms in the sequence are even, then specific congruences must be avoided for \(k\) to satisfy the divisibility condition.
  • This participant presents a detailed examination of the sequence's terms and their properties, noting that certain modular conditions must be met or avoided based on the sequence's structure.
  • They also provide a table of terms and their prime factors, suggesting that various conditions related to divisibility must be considered when identifying valid candidates for \(k\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the original question and the conditions under which the divisibility holds. There is no consensus on a definitive answer or method to find \(k\), and multiple viewpoints on the properties of the sequence are presented.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of the sequence and the implications of evenness and prime factors, which are not fully resolved. The mathematical steps and reasoning are complex and may depend on specific interpretations of the sequence's terms.

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We have recurrent sequence of integer number [tex]a_{1},a_{2},...[/tex]
[tex]a1=1, a2=2[/tex]
[tex]a_{n}=3a_{n-1}+5a_{n-2}[/tex] for [tex]n=3,4,5,...[/tex]
Is integer number [tex]k>=2[/tex], that [tex](a_{k+1}*a_{k+2}) mod a_{k} = 0[/tex] ?

Please for quick help :)
 
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terafull said:
We have recurrent sequence of integer number [tex]a_{1},a_{2},...[/tex]
[tex]a1=1, a2=2[/tex]
[tex]a_{n}=3a_{n-1}+5a_{n-2}[/tex] for [tex]n=3,4,5,...[/tex]
Is integer number [tex]k>=2[/tex], that [tex](a_{k+1}*a_{k+2}) mod a_{k} = 0[/tex] ?

Please for quick help :)
You need to clarify your post A(2) = 2. A(3)*A(4) = 11*43 is not divisible by A(2). Do you mean to ask whether for some integer n that [tex]a_{n}|a_{n+1}*a_{n+2}[/tex]?
 
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Yes. I must find some integer n (exactly k), where this modulo statement is true.
Thanks for reply :)
 
I was doing some number crunching to reduce the possibilities for k, but I'm still far from an answer.
So far, I get the following:

If b, a, 3a+5b, 14a+15b, ... are contiguous elements of the sequence, then we see that, if [tex]a_n[/tex]=b is even, then [tex]a_{n+3}[/tex]=14a+15b is also even. And since there happens to be an even element among the first 3 (namely, [tex]a_2[/tex]=2, then one every 3 elements from that point on ([tex]a_5, a_8, a_{11}[/tex]...) will be even too.
In short, since [tex]a_2[/tex]=2,
  • [tex]n \equiv 2 \ (mod\ 3) \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ 2|a_n[/tex]
Which means that the desired k cannot be congruent to 2 (mod 3), because [tex]a_k[/tex] would have a factor 2 that [tex](a_{k+1} * a_{k+2})[/tex] doesn't have.

On similar arguments, based on this table:
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a_{n+ 0}                           b
a_{n+ 1}            a                     (prime factors of a's coeff.)
a_{n+ 2}           3a +           5b      3
a_{n+ 3}          14a +          15b      2 7
a_{n+ 4}          57a +          70b      3 19
a_{n+ 5}         241a +         285b      241
  ...
a_{n+11}     1306469a +     1558065b      23 43 1321
a_{n+12}     5477472a +     6532345b      2 2 2 2 2 3 3 7 11 13 19
  ...
a_{n+18} 29748832848a + 35477934605b      2 2 2 2 3 3 3 7 17 109 5309
and given that [tex]a_3=11, a_4=43, a_5=23\ .\ 8, a_6=13\ .\ 59 \ \mbox{and}\ a_8=17\ .\ 794[/tex], we also have
  • [tex]n \equiv 3 \ (mod\ 12) \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ 11|a_n[/tex]
  • [tex]n \equiv 4 \ (mod\ 11) \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ 43|a_n[/tex]
  • [tex]n \equiv 5 \ (mod\ 11) \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ 23|a_n[/tex]
  • [tex]n \equiv 6 \ (mod\ 12) \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ 13|a_n[/tex]
  • [tex]n \equiv 8 \ (mod\ 18) \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ 17|a_n[/tex]
and all these conditions (including the one above about even numbers) must be avoided by your k candidate. However, there are still plenty of valid candidates remaining.
 
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