Is action at a distance possible as envisaged by the EPR Paradox.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of action at a distance as it relates to the EPR Paradox, exploring whether such action is possible and how it is understood within the framework of quantum mechanics and entanglement. Participants examine theoretical implications, experimental evidence, and interpretations of quantum phenomena.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that action at a distance has been experimentally demonstrated through entanglement, while others clarify that this does not allow for signaling or causation.
  • It is noted that the type of action at a distance implied by entanglement is random and results from wave function collapse upon observation.
  • One participant suggests that non-local hidden variable theories could allow for a form of action at a distance if certain conditions are met.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of Bell's theorem, with some arguing that it shows no local hidden variables can explain the observed phenomena, while others question the assumptions behind Bell's inequalities.
  • Multiple interpretations of quantum mechanics are mentioned, including the Bohmian view and the Many-Worlds Interpretation, with participants expressing varying degrees of belief in these theories.
  • Some participants express uncertainty and cognitive dissonance regarding the implications of quantum mechanics and the nature of reality as suggested by entanglement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of action at a distance or the implications of the EPR Paradox. There are multiple competing views and ongoing debates regarding the interpretations of quantum mechanics and the validity of hidden variable theories.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight limitations in the assumptions made about entangled particles and the interpretations of experimental results, particularly regarding the concept of unfair sampling in Bell-type experiments.

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DevilsAvocado said:
You’re welcome naturale. I’ll check out 'your' paper ASAP.

I bet that you will be strongly impressed if you try to really understand it carefully. My recommendation is to first read it focalizing your attention on the formal demonstrations (energy quantization, relativistic causality, path integral, commutation relation, ...). Once that you have checked its formal consistence you can finally try to figure out the conceptual implications (the notion of time, determinism, ...).

If you want to discuss about that paper you can use https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=424579".

bests
 
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Great, thanks for info and the link naturale!

Cheers! :wink:
 
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More on EACP elsewhere in the Forum: the fact that the EACP is amost obvioulsy true is PRECISELY what makes it such a good hypothsis (if one can prove anything with it): in paticular, it allows to disqualify locality, something that Hawking takes as granted in the above quote, but that Penrose (less known from the public, but better (or equally) appreciated by the experts) takes as false. Bell "only" proved:
"locality and realism" (or "locality and HVs") false. Now Hawking views on Einstein's view are personal: he is a great scientist, not an historian. See Fine and Jammer for more documented opinions.
 

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