Is Agnosticism a Justifiable Cop-Out for the Non-Existent Santa Claus?

[Icebreaker]

If u dream of becoming a chemist and pray all night to become so...u'll end up nowhere...sure u have to go get ur hands burned in the lab. I guess u'd have to do the same about realising god. Talking volumes won't help. Either sit there and say to urself and make believe that there's no god or go find out.

You just contradicted yourself. Like you said, praying doesn't get you anywhere, not even near god(s). If you want to be a chemist, then you have to study chemistry, discuss the reasons behind everything, and see for yourself experimentally; you can't simply sit there and pray to become a chemist. However, you cannot apply what you did above in the search for god; all you have left is that prayer, and that leads to nowhere.

 

[Picklehead]

I always figured that religion took god for granted and created stories around that, and that it is science that is doing the actual 'searching' (whether it thinks so or not).

 

[pattarkutty]

You just contradicted yourself. Like you said, praying doesn't get you anywhere, not even near god(s). If you want to be a chemist, then you have to study chemistry, discuss the reasons behind everything, and see for yourself experimentally; you can't simply sit there and pray to become a chemist. However, you cannot apply what you did above in the search for god; all you have left is that prayer, and that leads to nowhere.

just what makes u think that its all prayer that's left in the search of god. Do u know that there r scriptures in some of these religions that says "do this and this (physically) and u will realize god. And moreover it will depend on ur obsession with the idea. its good to be born in church not to die in one. Religion over centuries has passed the stages of prayers, heaven and hell concepts. its always for u to choose the right kind of religion that will take u to realisation faster. i never said that prayer will take u to god.

 

[Icebreaker]

NOTHING will take you to god except your death. There's no difference between "do this and this" and "prayer".

 

[Uno Lee]

If I pray (real hard) for two dice to both role on three, in one throw, will this increase my odds, even if I know they are only 1 in 36?

 

[pattarkutty]

NOTHING will take you to god except your death. There's no difference between "do this and this" and "prayer".

if there is no difference between do this and this and prayer, stop doing science and start praying...give me a break.