Is Analog Computing Making a Comeback in AI Research?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the potential resurgence of analog computing in the context of self-learning AI research. Participants explore the feasibility, advantages, and limitations of analog computing compared to digital methods, particularly in relation to AI algorithms.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Exploratory, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is researching self-learning AI and inquires about building electronic analog computers using operational amplifiers (op amps).
  • Another participant suggests that while many have experience with analog computing, they question the practicality of using it for AI, implying that digital processors are faster and more effective for emulating AI algorithms.
  • A different participant argues that although there is interest in analog computing, it is often not implemented in practice due to the efficiency of digital processors in handling non-linear functions required by AI.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the viability of traditional analog computing, suggesting that it has significant drawbacks and that current trends lean towards hybrid solutions rather than pure analog approaches.
  • Another participant compares the situation to the historical context of the gold standard, indicating that while analog computing has its merits, it may not be the most practical choice today.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and effectiveness of analog computing for AI. Some advocate for its potential, while others argue that digital methods are superior, indicating a lack of consensus on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for optimization in modeling analog circuits and the challenges associated with implementing analog solutions for AI, highlighting the complexity of the discussion.

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Anyone with experience building electronic analog computers
I am researching self-learning AI, and one of the most talked of solutions is returning to analog computing. Analog computing uses real time changes in voltage and frequency to run calculations or perform functions. Does anyone have any experience in building electronic analog computers based on the op amp?
 
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Hello @The Art of DHT ,

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Yes, lots of folks have lots of experience :biggrin:.

That may answer your question, but my guess is that it doesn't help you very much :smile:.

google is your friend. Tried some terms too ?

What is it you want to do ?

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The Art of DHT said:
I am researching self-learning AI, and one of the most talked of solutions is returning to analog computing.
That is the talk, but not the practice. It is faster to emulate the AI algorithm on a digital processor. Op-amps are good at linear operations, but AI requires non-linear functions, which are more quickly and more accurately emulated by the multiply-accumulate function in a digital processor.

The first step in building an analog computer is to model the analog circuit in SPICE. Only once the algorithm and circuit has been optimised should a parallel analog solution be implemented.
 
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The Art of DHT said:
AI ... one of the most talked of solutions is returning to analog computing.
The AI related analog computing (the one I know about) is not exactly the opamp kind, and honestly, I would rather take that as some kind of hybrid or unique solution than 'real' analog.

Analog computing had some strong points way back, but there was also serious drawbacks too.
By now it's simply more pain than gain.

I's just like the gold standard. Everybody knows why it was phased out, but still, some people just can't stop flirting with the idea.
 
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