Is Arrival the Next Sci-Fi Blockbuster or Just Another Hollywood Rehash?

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The discussion revolves around the film "Arrival," focusing on its themes, particularly language and communication, as well as its reception and comparisons to other science fiction films. Participants express their anticipation, share personal insights, and critique various aspects of the film and its narrative elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express excitement about the film's focus on language as a central theme, noting the director's previous work.
  • There are multiple humorous comments about the film's title and release date, indicating a light-hearted tone among some participants.
  • One participant mentions a debate among linguists regarding the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, suggesting that the film may engage with this theory, while others challenge its validity in contemporary linguistics.
  • Some participants share their personal rankings of "Arrival" in comparison to other science fiction films like "Contact" and "District 9," with mixed opinions on its engagement and plot execution.
  • There are critiques regarding the film's character development and narrative tropes, particularly the portrayal of a scientist mother and the use of emotional backstory.
  • One participant appreciates the film's unique portrayal of alien ships as portals rather than traditional spacecraft.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions about the film, with some praising its themes and execution while others critique its narrative choices and character development. There is no clear consensus on the film's merits or shortcomings, indicating a variety of perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on unresolved questions regarding the portrayal of linguistic theories and character motivations, as well as the broader implications of narrative tropes in Hollywood films.

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Thought I'd share this in the SF forum... What interests me regarding this movie is that language seems to be an important theme in the story and that the director also directed Sicario, which I liked.

Trailer 1:


Trailer 2:
 
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Let me know when it ... ahem ... arrives.
 
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Also intrigued and somewhat hyped! Can't wait to have my expectations shattered!
 
Noisy Rhysling said:
Let me know when it ... ahem ... arrives.
Google (you do know how to use Google don't you :smile:) says

Arrival will arrive in theaters on November 11th.
 
Bandersnatch said:
Can't wait to have my expectations shattered!
:oldlaugh:
 
phinds said:
Google (you do know how to use Google don't you :smile:) says
I only use lmgtfy.com, it's user friendly.
Arrival will arrive in theaters on November 11th.
At the eleventh hour?
 
Noisy Rhysling said:
Let me know when it ... ahem ... arrives.

I don't know what's worse.
That pun... or the fact I chuckled at that pun! lol

Movie looks great! I will be seeing it in the theatre for sure!
 
phinds said:
Google (you do know how to use Google don't you :smile:) says

Arrival will arrive in theaters on November 11th.
Some people just have no sense of humor.

Oh ... wait ... that's me. Damn.

:smile:
 
phinds said:
Some people just have no sense of humor.

Oh ... wait ... that's me. Damn.

:smile:
Straight replies are must a lure to make more puns ... arrive.
 
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Ooh, yes. Venice festival reviews are painting just the right picture of the film. More hype.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Ooh, yes. Venice festival reviews are painting just the right picture of the film. More hype.
That is cool, I am looking forward to seeing it! :smile:
 
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You know that feeling when you go to watch a film and you're so loaded with hype that you know there's just no way it's not going to disappoint, but then it doesn't? No? Yeah, neither did I. :smile:
Seriously, go watch it. It's great.
 
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Monday afternoon for me. Scouting for Boss Lady. Doesn't look to be getting the screen time here, only screen showing it in any theater.
 
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I think there's some debate among linguists about how the movie addresses communication. It relies on an established theory (the "Sapir-Whorf" theory) that argues that the language we speak shapes how we view the environment we're in. This idea had a lot of advocates for a very long time. More recently, others have argued the opposite: that language reflects culture and environment. I think most linguists agree with the latter these days, though I could be wrong. I haven't seen Arrival, and I'm not too much of a stickler, but I'm curious to see how they address it.
 
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The ways in which the language in Arrival shapes thought is the main 'fiction' element of this SF.
Having said that, the Saphir-Whorf hypothesis is most certainly not entertained in its original form by linguists, as it was far-fetched in how rigidly it saw the connection, and for which it never garnered any evidence - that's why it's still a hypothesis rather than an 'established theory'. To the film's credit, the only person mentioning it is a physicist in a dream.
For a modern look on the issue look up Lera Boroditsky's research and public talks.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
The ways in which the language in Arrival shapes thought is the main 'fiction' element of this SF.
Having said that, the Saphir-Whorf hypothesis is most certainly not entertained in its original form by linguists, as it was far-fetched in how rigidly it saw the connection, and for which it never garnered any evidence - that's why it's still a hypothesis rather than an 'established theory'. To the film's credit, the only person mentioning it is a physicist in a dream.
For a modern look on the issue look up Lera Boroditsky's research and public talks.

Great information! I'm halfway through a book about it and it's interesting stuff.
 
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Saw it the other day. I would rank it behind Contact and District 9 which I found more engaging.
 
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gleem said:
Saw it the other day. I would rank it behind Contact and District 9 which I found more engaging.
I liked "Contact" despite some real flaws in the plot. "District 9" was a "teach the discriminator about discrimination" movie, so :yawn:

I saw this one again yesterday, I enjoyed it more on the second viewing, I could keep the plot straight. No "what the heck" musings that made me miss things the first time viewing it.
 
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I've forgotten to post here... :smile: I've seen Arrival and I liked it a lot. Nice atmosphere. I have only seen it once, and I want to see it again.

Noisy Rhysling said:
I liked "Contact" despite some real flaws in the plot.
I also liked Contact, it's one of my favorite SF movies. The intro scene in that movie is amazing, IMO. By the way, which plot flaws in that movie are you thinking about?

And here is the Contact trailer if there is anyone reading this thread who has not seen the movie:
 
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DennisN said:
which plot flaw...
Assuming the FTL, transporting anyone to a place with unkown alien life and then bringing them back to Earth risking back contamination is absurd, at least with no plot device to explain it away. The alien mind-reading only approach to contact in the film makes sense, but the humans planning the mission had no way of knowing that.
 
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Scientist mother traumatized by death of child, absent father, but becomes hero with space stuff theme. Maybe Hollywood could give the theme a week or two of downtime before the next repeat.
 
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mheslep said:
Assuming the FTL, transporting anyone to a place with unkown alien life and then bringing them back to Earth risking back contamination is absurd, at least with no plot device to explain it away. The alien mind-reading only approach to contact in the film makes sense, but the humans planning the mission had no way of knowing that.
Good point, thanks!
 
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mheslep said:
Scientist mother traumatized by death of child, absent father, but becomes hero with space stuff theme. Maybe Hollywood could give the theme a week or two of downtime before the next repeat.
I don't think she was all that traumatized, given that she knew her child would die in early adulthood before she conceived. And she was a hero before she was a mother.
 
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Noisy Rhysling said:
I don't think she was all that traumatized, given that she knew her child would die in early adulthood before she conceived. And she was a hero before she was a mother.
The surprise plot twist is irrelevant to the character development as presented to the audience, which in part is ~90 minutes of a mother suffering bits of flashback about a dying child. It's her loss that is used to emotionally connect the audience to the character, just as it was with Gravity.
 
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mheslep said:
The surprise plot twist is irrelevant to the character development as presented to the audience, which in part is ~90 minutes of a mother suffering bits of flashback about a dying child. It's her loss that is used to emotionally connect the audience to the character, just as it was with Gravity.
The child was going to die earlier than usual, but wasn't dying until she was a young adult.Most of the time we see her as the sort of kid I've avoided being around for five decades.
 
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mheslep said:
Scientist mother traumatized by death of child, absent father, but becomes hero with space stuff theme. Maybe Hollywood could give the theme a week or two of downtime before the next repeat.
God damnit, Hollywood. Don't you have any new ideas.
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And don't even get me started on the hero's journey archetype in literature.
 
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Just saw Arrival. Really, really enjoyed it.

Bandersnatch said:
God damnit, Hollywood. Don't you have any new ideas.

Yeah. I mean, every movie has a plot. When is Hollywood going to start getting off of the bandwagon and making movies without plots??

There's nothing here. I just knew someone would make the joke "They already are".
:biggrin:
 
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I liked the fact that the "ships" were just portal, created on the spot. They never really arrived here, we arrived there.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
God damnit, Hollywood. Don't you have any new ideas...
It's not just the plot ripoffs that annoy, but the repeat of the same SJW sermons: Our single moms who art heavenly, hallowed be thy name. Forgive us our trespass against the environment, as we forgive the deadbeat dads who trespass against us. Sequels forever, amen.
 

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