Is Bush's Moon-Mars Initiative a New Space Frontier?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications and motivations behind President Bush's Moon-Mars Initiative, focusing on its feasibility, political context, and potential scientific benefits. Participants explore various aspects of space exploration, including funding, public perception, and the purpose of missions to the Moon and Mars.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the proposed timeline for the initiative, including the completion of the ISS and plans for human missions to the Moon and Mars.
  • Others argue that the initiative may be a political maneuver rather than a genuine commitment to space exploration, citing concerns about funding and public interest.
  • There is a suggestion that previous attempts at similar initiatives, such as those by Bush Sr., failed due to lack of funding and political support.
  • Some participants propose that if the initiative is funded, it could lead to valuable scientific research, similar to past missions.
  • A viewpoint is presented that any mission to Mars should have a specific purpose, rather than being a symbolic endeavor, questioning the value of such missions without clear objectives.
  • One participant introduces the idea of establishing a permanent human presence on Mars through resupply missions, which raises concerns about the long-term implications for astronauts' survival and well-being.
  • There is a discussion about the technological advancements since the Apollo missions and the challenges of sending humans to Mars, including the need for larger spacecraft and long-term habitation solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of skepticism and support for the initiative, with no clear consensus on its viability or purpose. Some agree on the need for a specific mission objective, while others emphasize the potential benefits of exploration regardless of political motivations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the uncertainty surrounding funding and public support for the initiative, as well as the historical context of previous space missions and their motivations. There are unresolved questions about the feasibility of long-term human habitation on Mars and the implications for astronauts involved in such missions.

  • #31
State of the Union

"too many steroids"...

(agh, excuse me,but...Manned Mission to Mars...)

i repeat..."a real Flag..."

(at least 'one' person understands me!)

thanks!

thought i was 'alone' ...
 
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  • #32


Originally posted by Nereid
Bush? a scientific visionary? Show me ONE THING in his record which supports your hypothesis!

Well, he supports research for more oil drilling in Alaska.

(Yes, I'm kidding.)
 
  • #33


Originally posted by Nereid


Bush? a scientific visionary? Show me ONE THING in his record which supports your hypothesis!


I've been looking for somewhere where Bush is referred to as "a scientific visionary". To whose hypothesis are you alluding?

Also, much has been made in this Topic about the idea that Bush may be doing what he's doing just to get votes. Isn't that what he is supposed to do? It is the job of the president of a democratic nation to actualize the will of the people. The people make their will known by voting for the candidate whose programs most closely match that will. If Bush gains votes with all his talk of reinstituting a manned space program, then a manned space program must be what the American people want.
 
  • #34
LURCH,
Adrian said: "Maybe Bush is a visionary who sees the value of scientific endeavours?" This is his hypothesis. I asked him to provide evidence to support it.
LURCH: Also, much has been made in this Topic about the idea that Bush may be doing what he's doing just to get votes. Isn't that what he is supposed to do?
Of course. What made me depressed is 'the vision thing'. If he had the vision, he'd work on a policy that would have a reasonable chance of success, and if he were to continue in office (or influence those who followed him), there's a fighting chance the vision would see the light of day.

OTOH, if he's merely a vote-seeking automaton, given that a 'man on Mars' is hugely expensive, would take decades to realize, and kill funds for almost all other space science (look at the Shuttle, the ISS), can you construct a realistic scenario under which serious space-based science grows?
LURCH: If Bush gains votes with all his talk of reinstituting a manned space program, then a manned space program must be what the American people want.
The American people's wants cannot be manufactured? The leader is purely passive? The leader has no agenda other than 'do the will of the American people'??
 
  • #35
Mars? Nah

But the moon, on the other hand, makes sense. Look back to history, how many cities started off as a lonely fort in a hostile environment? This could start a new land rush, gold boom, etc. But I seriously doubt that hookers or moon shiners will be the first civies there

On a serious note, I would think that someone could produce new alloys, uncontaminated by trace elements that are unavoidably added by smelting in our atmosphere. This could be one of many reasons for colonizing the moon.
 

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