Is Cloud Movement Dependent On Wind?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between cloud movement and wind, exploring whether cloud motion is primarily influenced by wind or if other factors, such as the Coriolis force, play a significant role. Participants examine the nature of clouds, their formation, and the dynamics of air movement in relation to weather and climate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that cloud movement is intuitively linked to wind, questioning if the Coriolis force has a more significant impact.
  • One participant notes that clouds are essentially visible portions of air, suggesting that their movement is inherently tied to wind dynamics.
  • It is mentioned that wind at higher altitudes can differ from surface wind, referencing Buys Ballot's law.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about whether clouds would remain stationary if winds were calm, indicating a specific interest in cloud behavior under different wind conditions.
  • Another participant explains that the Coriolis force influences the direction of prevailing winds, which in turn affects cloud movement.
  • One contribution describes clouds as horizontally passive, suggesting that their motion reflects the wind they are in, and highlights the role of rising moist air in cloud formation and local airflow.
  • Participants discuss the unique properties of clouds, including their heat interactions and effects on light, which may influence their behavior in the atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the primary factors influencing cloud movement, with multiple competing views regarding the roles of wind and the Coriolis force remaining evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on definitions of cloud and wind, as well as the complexity of atmospheric dynamics that may not be fully addressed.

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It seems to make intuitive sense for cloud movement to be dependent on wind, but is it actually true? Isn't the Coriolis Force a bigger factor in cloud movement?
 
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What else is a cloud than a visible portion of the air? When air moves it is called 'wind'. So what if a cloud moves? Of course all motions in a rotating system are subject to coriolis force.

Note also that wind at higher altitudes usually has another direction than the surface wind. See Buys Ballots law.

For completeness, the water droplets forming the clouds are falling very slowly, independent of the wind.
 
Andre said:
What else is a cloud than a visible portion of the air? When air moves it is called 'wind'. So what if a cloud moves? Of course all motions in a rotating system are subject to coriolis force.

Note also that wind at higher altitudes usually has another direction than the surface wind. See Buys Ballots law.

For completeness, the water droplets forming the clouds are falling very slowly, independent of the wind.

Ah, thanks. Yeah, I should of remembered that clouds are just a visible portion of air.
 
The reason why I asked the question is because I was wondering whether or not if clouds that were presently overhead would remain overhead if the winds remained calm.
 
What the coriolis force does is affect the direction of the prevailing wind.
 
You have asked about clouds and wind. Cloud motion portrays the wind the cloud is in. Clouds are horizontally passive. What would be unusual would be prolonged calm at cloud altitude to keep them in one place. Clouds form in rising moist air, generating local air flow by their heat of formation. This flow determines their shape, changing with altitude. The feathery cirrus clouds form in high air cold enough to force them to be ice, not water. Unlike dry air, clouds acquire heat from the Sun and Earth, letting them rise during the day and not fall out of the sky at night. Clouds act on light uniquely in what is called Mie scattering, shading and usually cooling the Earth below. They also reflect sunlight into space. They are therefore very important in weather and climate.
 

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