Is continuity a necessary condition for differentiability?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between continuity and differentiability of functions, exploring whether continuity is a necessary condition for differentiability. It includes theoretical considerations and examples, as well as references to specific functions that illustrate the concepts involved.

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  • Some participants assert that differentiability implies continuity, but not the other way around, citing examples of functions that are continuous everywhere but not differentiable.
  • One participant mentions the Weierstrass function as a notable example of a function that is continuous everywhere but nowhere differentiable.
  • Another participant explains that for a function to be differentiable at a point, it must also be continuous at that point, emphasizing the necessity of the limit conditions for differentiability.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of derivatives of piecewise continuous functions at break points, suggesting that limits from both sides can determine differentiability at those points.
  • Concerns are raised about the continuity of the derivative function itself, even if the original function is differentiable over an interval.

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Participants generally agree that differentiability requires continuity at a point, but there is disagreement regarding whether continuity alone is sufficient for differentiability, with multiple viewpoints presented on the existence of continuous but non-differentiable functions.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical concepts and examples, which may depend on the definitions and contexts used by participants. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of differentiability on the continuity of derivatives.

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Is it true that derivative of a function is possible only if it is continuous!
 
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I think at one time a continuous function was defined as a function with a derivative (and a derivative of a derivative...). not sure what the current definition is now but its different.

you might want to consider a square wave. it is the sum of an infinite number of sine waves each of which does indeed have a derivative.
 
Differentiability implies continuity, but not the converse. There are examples of pathological functions which are everywhere continuous but no where differentiable. (I forget the name of the most famous one; I'm sure someone will post the wikipedia link to it).
 
Weierstrass function.
 
If f(x) is differentiable AT x= a, then f(x) is also continuous there. The converse is not true: f(x)= |x| is continuous at all x but not differentiable at x= 0.

The reason f(x) must be continuous in order to be differentiable is that
[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(a+ h)- f(a)}{h}[/tex]
always has denominator going to 0. In order that the limit exist (necessary condition, not sufficient) the numerator must also go to 0. That is, we must have
[tex]\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} f(a+ h)= f(a)[/tex]
precisely the condition that f be continuous at x= a.

Of course, if f(x) is differentiable on some interval, the derivative function may not be continuous on that interval itself. However, the derivative does always satisfy the "intermediate value property" (if f(a)= u and f(b)= v, then f(x) takes on every value between u and v at some point between a and b. Amoung other things, that means that for a differentiable function, if [itex]\lim_{x\rightarrow a^-} f'(x)= \lim_{x\rightarrow a^+}f'(x)[/itex] then f is differentiable at x= a and has that common value as its derivative at a. In order not to be differentiable at x= a, those two limits must not be the same. That's why you can find the derivative, if it exists, of a piecewise continuous function, at the break points, by looking at the limits of the derivative on both sides of the break point.

And, since this has nothing to do with "Differential Equations", I am moving it to "Calculus and Analysis".
 
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