Is Dark Energy a Misinterpreted Phenomenon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of Dark Energy and the expansion of the universe, questioning whether current evidence has been misinterpreted. Participants explore various hypotheses regarding redshift, gravitational effects on photons, and the implications of existing cosmological models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the evidence for Dark Energy has been misinterpreted, suggesting that observations of distant galaxies moving away could be explained by the dynamics of light traveling through space rather than an actual expansion of the universe.
  • Others emphasize the importance of quantitative analysis and the extensive modeling done by cosmologists to derive the effects attributed to Dark Energy, asserting that these models account for the observed accelerating expansion.
  • A hypothesis is presented that redshift is not indicative of an expanding universe but rather a result of gravitational effects on photons as they travel through space, leading to energy loss and increased wavelength.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of alternative theories, suggesting that they do not adequately account for observational data and may require new physics to be plausible.
  • There is a mention of the Physics Forum rules regarding the posting of personal theories that have not been peer-reviewed, indicating a concern about the appropriateness of certain claims made in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of redshift and the existence of Dark Energy. There is no consensus on the validity of the alternative hypotheses presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for careful consideration of existing evidence and models, pointing out that assumptions and definitions play a crucial role in the interpretation of cosmological phenomena. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the implications of redshift and the nature of the universe's expansion.

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I have read a number of explanation for Dark Energy. To me, it looks like the evidence has been misinterpreted. When you look very deep into space you are looking back in time to near the beginning. It makes sense that that matter will be moving away at very high velocity and as we look closer to now, the rate of recession will be slower. It looks to me there is no Dark Energy. If I'm wrong, what am I missing in the explanation for Dark Energy?
 
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What are you missing? A quantitative analysis.
 
Your response does not help.
 
Allan R. said:
I have read a number of explanation for Dark Energy. To me, it looks like the evidence has been misinterpreted
This suggests you haven't looked at the evidence or how it is interpreted. In a word, the effect of how far back we are looking is of course taken into account, and the result of accelerating expansion is derived by careful modelling, as you would expect professionals in the field to do.
 
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Also, there is more than one line of evidence, e.g., I suspect you have not looked at the acoustic peaks so exquisitely detailed by the Planck satellite.
 
Allan R. said:
I have read a number of explanation for Dark Energy. To me, it looks like the evidence has been misinterpreted. When you look very deep into space you are looking back in time to near the beginning. It makes sense that that matter will be moving away at very high velocity and as we look closer to now, the rate of recession will be slower. It looks to me there is no Dark Energy. If I'm wrong, what am I missing in the explanation for Dark Energy?
"Dark Energy" is a placeholder name standing in for "we don't know WHAT the hell is causing the effects that we see". The point is that the effects, dispute your misunderstanding, are very well known and well explained. I suspect that if you go over the explanations carefully you'll eventually see your mistake in interpretation of the evidence.
 
Allan R. said:
Your response does not help.

What he is saying is that it's not enough to just say "matter was moving apart faster in the past anyway". How much faster? How much faster in a model that does not include dark energy, as compared to a model that does? How much faster according to the actual data?

Before trying to engage in your own speculations, you should get familiar with the massive amount of effort cosmologists have already put into investigating those questions. The current cosmological model that includes dark energy is the result of that massive effort; it's not something cosmologists just came up with because they couldn't think of anything else.
 
My hypothesis is that astrophysicsts are wrong about expanding universe.
The red shift of light from distant galaxies is not an indication that our universe is expanding.

When photons from distant galaxies travel through space passing by many galaxies,
on their way to Earth all those galaxies exert gravity pull to the photons.
As a result the photons lost energy, but photons speed is light speed, it cannot loss energy my losing speed.
The photons loss energy by red shift - (increase in wave length = reduce in frequency).
And this effect accumulate over billion of years, the further the source, the higher the degree of accumulated effect - the bigger the redshift effect.
 
The expansion hypothesis is popular because it requires no new physics. Scientists are suckers for that. The gravitational redshift mechanism only works at the source. Intervening mass blueshifts photons as they approach, then redshifts them as they recede. Net effect is zero.
 
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Tan Hiqk Soap said:
My hypothesis is that astrophysicsts are wrong about expanding universe.
The red shift of light from distant galaxies is not an indication that our universe is expanding.

When photons from distant galaxies travel through space passing by many galaxies,
on their way to Earth all those galaxies exert gravity pull to the photons.
As a result the photons lost energy, but photons speed is light speed, it cannot loss energy my losing speed.
The photons loss energy by red shift - (increase in wave length = reduce in frequency).
And this effect accumulate over billion of years, the further the source, the higher the degree of accumulated effect - the bigger the redshift effect.
The test is not however whether the theory sounds good, but how well it accounts for observations. To see whether your theory is correct, you need to calculate the effect you mentioned and quantify it. As Chronos mentionned, the result can be quickly estimated to be zero, so your theory doesn't look promising unless you involve new physics - but then the burden is on you to justify this and make it work.
 
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The Physics Forum rules prohibit the posting of new personal theories that have not been published in an appropriate peer-reviewed journal, so threads about such theories are usually removed.

This thread has been closed but not removed because the replies do such a good job of explaining why posting new and unsupported personal theories is a bad idea.
 

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