Is Defense Research Valued by Graduate Schools?

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The discussion revolves around the value of defense research in the context of graduate school applications, particularly from the perspective of a physics student seeking summer research opportunities. Participants explore the implications of engaging in defense-related projects versus traditional academic research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about whether graduate schools view defense research as relevant or dismiss it, particularly given their own experiences with less productive research opportunities.
  • Another participant argues that defense research should not be dismissed, noting that the main concern may be the potential for work to be classified and thus not publishable, which could be a limitation compared to academic research.
  • There is a reiteration that at the undergraduate level, the skills gained and references obtained from defense research are often more important than publications.
  • A clarification is made regarding the type of defense research being discussed, specifically focusing on intelligence analysis and scientific/technological strategies rather than lab work.
  • Anecdotal evidence is provided about a mechanical engineer who graduated from a prestigious university and is now working in defense-related roles, suggesting that such positions can lead to successful careers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the value of defense research for graduate school applications, with differing opinions on its relevance and implications for future academic opportunities.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the perceptions of graduate admissions committees regarding defense research, and there are assumptions about the importance of skills and references versus publications.

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Hello All!

I'm a third-year physics student attending a private university here in the States and am currently applying to summer research programs. While I have applied to the traditional SULI and DAAD RISE (German Exchange) programs, I'm also interested in defense research at programs such as the http://www.ida.org/careers/graduatestudents.php" .

I've done two summers of "research" (although they weren't very productive--my first summer was with a lab that was going through the grant-writing frenzy consuming everybody and my second summer was setting up an undergraduate-run research lab) and I admit that they probably did not hold much experience. In fact, they weren't very "physics-y"--the first lab was microfluidics and the second lab was synthetic biology. I was curious as to whether graduate schools welcome defense research or dismiss it as irrelevant. I feel a bit as if this is my last chance to set up a good bit of research (I'm taking the grad-course route to an honors BA as opposed to the thesis route) and would like to know some opinions, especially those of you who are on admissions committees or have gone through similar experiences.

Thanks!
 
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Why would defence research be "dismissed as irrelevant?" The only issue that might arise is that your work could end up classified and hence not publishible in contrast to work done in an academic institution. A similar situation might occur for work done for a private company. I wouldn't be too concerned about that at an undergraduate level though as publications for a undergrad are very rare. What's usually the most important with such work are the skills you pick up, and the references you get.
 
Choppy said:
Why would defence research be "dismissed as irrelevant?" The only issue that might arise is that your work could end up classified and hence not publishible in contrast to work done in an academic institution. A similar situation might occur for work done for a private company. I wouldn't be too concerned about that at an undergraduate level though as publications for a undergrad are very rare. What's usually the most important with such work are the skills you pick up, and the references you get.

I apologize for being vague. I meant defense research more in terms of intelligence analysis, especially in terms of scientific/technological strategies as opposed to actual labwork.
 
I know a mechanical engineer graduated high in his class from Dartmouth has an amazing paying job, but spends his days designing radio mounts for Canadian military hummers, or finding the strongest alloy for lug nuts, stuff like that.
 

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