Is every strictly increasing function onto?

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The discussion centers on whether every strictly increasing function is onto, exploring the implications of being one-to-one and the conditions under which a function can be considered onto. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical properties of functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that proving a function is one-to-one and that its inverse is also one-to-one could justify that the function is onto.
  • Another participant counters that not every strictly increasing function is onto, providing a specific counterexample involving the Heaviside step function.
  • A participant emphasizes that proving a function is one-to-one does not imply it is onto, noting that the existence of an inverse requires the function to be onto.
  • Another participant reiterates the previous point and provides an additional counterexample of a strictly increasing function that is not onto.
  • One participant speculates that the original poster might be trying to prove that every strictly increasing function has an inverse mapping its range back to its domain.
  • Another participant raises the possibility that "one-to-one" might be interpreted as "bijective," highlighting differing definitions among authors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the assertion that every strictly increasing function is onto, with multiple counterexamples provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of one-to-one functions and their relationship to being onto.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions of one-to-one and onto, as well as the assumptions about the functions being discussed. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or definitions involved.

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If I want to prove that a non specified function f(x) that maps x -->x' is onto could I show that f(x) is one to one and that f(x')^-1 (the inverse function) is also one to one??
Would that be a valid justification to say that thus f(x) must be onto?

More specifically I am looking to prove that every strictly increasing function is onto.

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Not every strictly increasing function is onto (e.g., f(x)=x+u(x), where u is the Heaviside step function).
 
Proving that a function is one-to-one tells you nothing about it being "onto". In particular, you can't use the inverse function because if you don't already know that a function is "onto", you don't know that it has an inverse.

You can stop "looking to prove that every strictly increasing function is onto" because it is not true. The function for R to R defined by y= x if x< 0, y= x+1 if [itex]x\ge 0[/itex] is strictly increasing but is not "onto".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Proving that a function is one-to-one tells you nothing about it being "onto". In particular, you can't use the inverse function because if you don't already know that a function is "onto", you don't know that it has an inverse.

You can stop "looking to prove that every strictly increasing function is onto" because it is not true. The function for R to R defined by y= x if x< 0, y= x+1 if [itex]x\ge 0[/itex] is strictly increasing but is not "onto".
Wow. We came up with the same counterexample. :-)
 
Perhaps you are trying to prove that every strictly increasing function has an inverse mapping its range back to it's domain or something like that. Or, in other words, that if x<>y, then f(x)<>f(y).
 
There is the possibility that the OP meant "bijective" by "1-to-1."
(It should be noted that one-to-one function means one-to-one correspondence (i.e., bijection) to some authors, but injection to others.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijection
 

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