Is Everything in Physics Just a Collection of Properties?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of physical entities and whether everything in physics can be understood as a collection of properties. Participants explore the implications of defining fundamental particles and phenomena through their properties, questioning the existence of anything beyond these properties.

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  • One participant suggests that everything in physics reduces to properties, questioning if the world consists solely of properties and nothing else.
  • Another participant argues that physics is fundamentally about description, asserting that every particle, such as an electron, is defined by its properties, which include mass, spin, and charge.
  • This participant emphasizes that while the world can be described by properties, it does not imply that properties are the only reality.
  • A later reply concurs with the idea that properties are essential for defining things, suggesting that properties allow us to discern and recognize entities.
  • There is a notion that the act of assigning properties may alter the perception of the entities themselves.

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Participants generally agree that properties are fundamental to the description of physical entities, but there is no consensus on whether properties constitute the entirety of existence or if there is something beyond them.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of properties and their role in defining physical entities, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or resolved.

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In physics, it seems like everything is ultimately reduced to a property. I used to believe that everything reduces down to matter and energy. But it seems as though matter and energy are made up of properties.

For example, pure energy such as a photon, seems to be its parts/properties. Its spin, parity, stability etc. seem to be what it actually is.

So then what is something which isn't a property? Do we just live in a world of properties and nothing else?
 
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Hm, I don't think that's really how I'd put it.

Physics is the process of description. We describe every fundamental particle (and, well, everything) through the examination of their properties. For instance, an electron is a particle with rest mass 0.511 MeV/c^2, spin 1/2, charge -1 and does not carry colour charge (is a lepton). If it had other properties, we would label it with those as well. For instance, I could have an electron with a certain kinetic energy ##T##, so I'd add that to the list.

There cannot be something that isn't a property of a particle, because I could always list it as a property. Then, the behaviour of the particle is described by its properties. So in some sense, yes, the world is described by properties and nothing else, but that doesn't make a property an actual thing.
 
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e.bar.goum said:
Hm, I don't think that's really how I'd put it.

Physics is the process of description. We describe every fundamental particle (and, well, everything) through the examination of their properties. For instance, an electron is a particle with rest mass 0.511 MeV/c^2, spin 1/2, charge -1 and does not carry colour charge (is a lepton). If it had other properties, we would label it with those as well. For instance, I could have an electron with a certain kinetic energy ##T##, so I'd add that to the list.

There cannot be something that isn't a property of a particle, because I could always list it as a property. Then, the behaviour of the particle is described by its properties. So in some sense, yes, the world is described by properties and nothing else, but that doesn't make a property an actual thing.

Oh I see. We give properties to things. This makes sense because it seems like we can never really know exactly what something is directly except for how it interacts with its environment.
 
e.bar.goum said:
We describe every fundamental particle (and, well, everything) through the examination of their properties.
I concur with that definition...

Here's a few more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_property
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_(philosophy)

student34 said:
We give properties to things.

By definition, a thing or things, already possesses properties... therefore, we can discern, perceive, or

recognize "things" from the existence of these... properties.

Though, this can also have the peculiar effect of somewhat changing the things... "existing" properties... :oldwink:
 
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