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Can we tell, given the ample accuracy of formal quantum mechanics, that the (formal) theory is correct in its entirety?
The discussion centers around the validity of formal quantum mechanics (QM) and whether it can be considered correct in its entirety. Participants explore the implications of scientific theories being subject to revision based on new evidence, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and its historical development.
Participants do not reach a consensus on whether formal quantum mechanics can be considered correct in its entirety. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of scientific theories and the implications of new experimental evidence.
The discussion highlights the limitations of current theories and the potential for new evidence to emerge from unexplored experimental regimes, but does not resolve the implications of these points.
entropy1 said:Can we tell, given the ample accuracy of formal quantum mechanics, that the (formal) theory is correct in its entirety?
You can never tell that about any scientific theory. Scientific theories are always subject to revision as more evidence comes in.entropy1 said:Can we tell, given the ample accuracy of formal quantum mechanics, that the (formal) theory is correct in its entirety?
But that would require different experimental outcomes than thusfar measured, right? Either different outcomes of the same experiments, or new outcomes made by experiments not yet done (but that is trivial). But new outcomes of experiments not yet done probably won't be in disagreement with experiments already done, right?PeterDonis said:You can never tell that about any scientific theory. Scientific theories are always subject to revision as more evidence comes in.
Not necessarily. New evidence can be from experimental regimes that have not previously been tested, but which suggest the presence of new physical factors that are not included in current theories. That's how QM itself got started, after all--experiments probing new regimes in the late 19th and early 20th century uncovered physical factors that were not included in classical physics.entropy1 said:that would require different experimental outcomes than thusfar measured, right?
PeterDonis said:Not necessarily. New evidence can be from experimental regimes that have not previously been tested, but which suggest the presence of new physical factors that are not included in current theories. That's how QM itself got started, after all--experiments probing new regimes in the late 19th and early 20th century uncovered physical factors that were not included in classical physics.
Not "different", just "new". If we do experiments in a regime where we've never done experiments before, then the results can't be "different" from anything because there's nothing to compare them to.entropy1 said:that would require different experimental outcomes than thusfar measured, right?
New outcomes of experiments in a regime where we've never done experiments before can't either agree or disagree with experiments already done, because there's no way to compare them--they're in different experimental regimes.entropy1 said:new outcomes of experiments not yet done probably won't be in disagreement with experiments already done, right?