Is fusion in an accretion disk of a black hole possible?

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The discussion centers on the possibility of nuclear fusion occurring in the accretion disks of black holes, exploring the conditions under which fusion might take place, including the density and temperature of the disks. The conversation touches on theoretical aspects of nucleosynthesis, the nature of accretion disks, and the processes involved in black hole formation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the accretion disk of a black hole can reach temperatures sufficient for certain elements to undergo fusion.
  • Others mention that various nucleosynthesis processes, such as the r-process and p-process, are relevant in this context.
  • A participant notes that the definition of an "accretion disk" can vary significantly, with differences between high-density disks formed during stellar collapse or mergers and lower-density disks typical of X-ray binaries.
  • It is suggested that while nucleosynthesis can occur in both high-density and low-density disks, its observability and importance may differ based on the density and timescale involved.
  • One participant emphasizes that for fusion to occur, the accretion disk must be dense enough, particularly in scenarios involving gamma-ray bursts (GRBs).
  • Another participant questions the mechanism by which the collision of two high-mass stars leads to the formation of a black hole, discussing the role of degenerate electron cores and gravitational collapse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that nucleosynthesis can occur in accretion disks, but there is no consensus on the significance or observability of this process in different types of disks. The discussion also includes unresolved questions regarding the formation of black holes from stellar collisions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions of accretion disks and the varying conditions under which fusion may occur, as well as the complexities involved in black hole formation processes.

Irfan Nafi
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I know that the accretion disk of a black hole gets hot enough for powerful emission of x-rays, but does that disk get hot enough for certain elements to fuse?
 
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Yet notice that what is meant by an "accretion disk" can be two rather different things-- we can have a disk forming as a rotating star collapses or two stars merge, which are going to be very high-density disks, and we have more standard X-ray binary disks, where you have Roche lobe overflow or a wind streaming in, and those kinds of accretion disks are going to be much lower density. So although nucleosynthesis would occur in both cases, it seems less likely to be observable or important in the low-density versions, and that might be what the OP is asking about. To what degree it occurs or is important in each situation will depend on the density and timescale, given that the temperature is indeed high enough. So certainly the answer is yes, nucleosynthesis occurs, but we should still distinguish supernova-type situations from the more standard meaning of a black hole accretion disk.
 
So it is possible but the accretion disk has to be dense enough. When a rotating star collapses to form a black hole the black hole should produce a GRB so any material in that GRB (that is close enough) has a probability to fuse only if the region is dense enough for atoms or nucleons to fuse. But how does the collision of 2 high mass stars result in a black hole?
 
Irfan Nafi said:
But how does the collision of 2 high mass stars result in a black hole?
When the masses of the degenerate electron core inside the two stars come together and exceed a limit, their gravity cannot be supported by degenerate electrons (because the electron energies go relativistic), and the cores collapse into either a neutron star or black hole (either one produces a dense accretion disk if there is enough angular momentum).
 
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