Is Helmholtz equation a Poisson Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Helmholtz equation and the Poisson equation, specifically whether the Helmholtz equation can be considered a form or subset of the Poisson equation. The conversation includes technical aspects of both equations, their forms, and their classifications as second-order partial differential equations (PDEs).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that both the Helmholtz equation and the Poisson equation are second-order PDEs, but highlight that the function in Poisson's equation is more general and not necessarily related to the unknown function.
  • One participant suggests that the Helmholtz equation can be viewed as a form of the Poisson equation when the function f is set to -ku, indicating a specific case.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point but later clarifies that the Helmholtz equation can also be expressed with f as -k∇²u, reiterating the subset argument.
  • In contrast, a later reply asserts that the only connection between the two equations is their classification as elliptic second-order linear PDEs, arguing that one is not a particular case of the other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the Helmholtz equation is a subset of the Poisson equation. While some support the idea of a subset relationship under specific conditions, others argue against this notion, maintaining that the two equations are distinct despite their similarities.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the relationship between the equations, with some participants relying on specific forms and others emphasizing broader classifications. The nuances in definitions and conditions are not fully resolved.

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Helmholtz equation:##\nabla^2 u=-ku## is the same form of ##\nabla^2 u=f##.

So is helmholtz equation a form of Poisson Equation?
 
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They're both second order PDEs, but the Poisson f is a more general function, not necessarily related to the unknown function u. If the function f is 0, then the Poisson equation reduces to the Laplace equation.

In the solution of certain types of the Helmholtz equation, the separation of variables can be utilized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_equation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson's_equation

The generality of 'f' in Poisson's equation makes it trickier to solve than Laplace.
 
Thanks for the reply, I understand the difference between the two. But Helmholtz is also in form of Poisson, only when ##f=-ku##. So, can I say Helmholtz is a subset or one form of Poission Equation?

Thanks
 
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yungman said:
Thanks for the reply, I understand the difference between the two. But Helmholtz is also in form of Poisson, only when ##f=-k\nabla^2 u##. So, can I say Helmholtz is a subset or one form of Poission Equation?

Thanks

I think you mean when f = -ku

FWIW, sure, go ahead.
 
SteamKing said:
I think you mean when f = -ku

FWIW, sure, go ahead.

Yes, my bad. What is FWIW?

Thanks
 
FWIW = For What It's Worth
 
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Leaving the chat speak aside, generally speaking the only connection between Poisson's equation and Helmholtz equation is that they are both elliptic 2nd order linear PDEs. One is not a particular case of the other, as posts 2 and especially 3,4 above insinuate.
 
Thanks everyone.
 

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